Thread: Kwality Konstukshun

Not very full of himself, is he?

Obviously used to builders pissing in his pockets... if he is an inspector. Hey, why aren't you out inspecting building works instead of surfing the net? We don't pay our rates for you to slack off all day you know.

Oh- the old school who believed in spending more time to bolster things to achieve a quality structure that would outlive the occupants many times over - not the new way of doing things that result in a 'compliant' building (aka brand new renovators delight) with a life span of 30 years - if your lucky.....

Don't take it as a personal comment - it's just an observation shared by many old timers on the way things have gone and are continuing....

Originally Posted by thebuildingsurv

Well that my 2 cents worth

I reckon you're over-valuing your contributions, pal.

*LOL* there are some good flames going here

Whats the inspector doing flaming people in his first post?

Especially saying old school is about putting too much into things that don't matter and fumbling things that do matter. Old School was about making sure everything was done right wasn't it? Some things might have been over done resulting in other things having to be overdone to handle increased load etc but those guys were doing the best that could be done with the knowledge available.

Our knowledge hopefully is always improving but that doesn't diminish the work of those before us.

Studley

Unfortunately, what is driving the development of new products in the building industry is cost. For example plumbers love PE-X because it is quick and easy to put in. You can do the job in a fraction of the time and you don't need to lug around oxy bottles, pipe benders and flanging tools. All they need is a crimper, a stanley knife and a cordless drill. Doesn't mean it's the best product for the end user though. All they know is that it cost them less to get it installed.

At the end of the day it all comes down to 'user pays'. People who engage project home builders to build these Mcmansions want maximum bang for their bucks. They dont care about what type of footings/structure/plumbing pipes they are getting. Most only care about getting the biggest house they can afford and what type of kitchen/bathroom/floor finishes etc they are getting. Most owners would rather spend and extra $10000 on granite kitchen benchtops than on the footings or floor joists. Hence, to compete with each other, project home builders spend as little as possible on all the things that 'arent seen' and put more $$$ into the aesthetic stuff. Unfortunately, most 'structural elements' fall into the 'the things that arent seen' category.

As others have stated, 'Engineered' floor joists are common place in most project home construction. 'I' joists work on the same principles as steel Universal Beams (or RSJ's for you old blokes). The result is a stiffer and stronger member, with less overall cross sectional area than an equivalent rectangular section. That is why most steel beams are flanged sections (I or C) rather than solid steel rectangular sections. Holes can certainly be cut through the webs of engineered joists. However, should only be done so in accordance with the manufacturer's specifications.

Structural members are not necessarily designed to the limit these days due to the use of computers or otherwise. As engineers, we can do the same calculations with or without computers. It was just slower without them. It all comes down to the 'bean counters' at project home companies squeezing every last cent out of the structural components of a house in order to build the biggest and prettiest Mcmansions at the lowest possible price.

In my opinion, used correctly the certified engineered joists are a good solution. They are usually stronger, stiffer, and lighter than the equivalent solid rectangular floor joists. Not to mention how many fewer trees are required to build the average Mcmansion.

Thats my 10 cents worth

I find some of your posts quite amusing, especially some of the advice given out by those who think they know it all. I gaurantee i have had more expeirience and education than most of you but still learn new things constantly and there is only so much information one can keep in their head.

Top that

Look guys i wasnt flamin anyone. I just that when i hear several times a day. "I havent never done that before" by old school builders, who whinge when asked to do carry out basic requirements noted on a plan they havent even read, i get peed off. I have read through some of your posts and heard some excellent advice and some not so good advice. I regards to why am i not on site ATM, that is because I also check plans as well. I doubt half of you even know what a Building Surveyor is. As hardcore tradies such as yourselves why arent you out there hammering some nails. I am allowed to pump my own tyres up, it is your job to try and flatten them. You caught me on a bad day, I will come back when im in a better mood. RE ABOVE POST I NEVER CLAIMED TO BE A SPELLAR. ALL MY PROFFESSIONAL WORK IS SPELLCHECKED

Originally Posted by thebuildingsurv

I doubt half of you even know what a Building Surveyor is. ...As hardcore tradies such as yourselves why arent you out there hammering some nails.

Well, not all of us are, some of us make time in our otherwise busy days for a bit of enlightnment. And driving nails? Let's see, I might have a few red ones around here someplace......yep! Here they are, and a big hammer, too.

I can feel the first reddie coming up.

I doubt half of you even know what a Building Surveyor is.

Can't help yourself, can you?

Sheeze ease up on the guy fellas. He is one of those typical just got in but gunna be all right soon enough once the rough edges get knocked off him.

Building Surv there are a fair few tradies here, many who know a lot of what they are on about. Look around and you will see the bunch here is a long way from the people you complain about. Check some of the woodies gallery to see the stuff that people here have made. As for nails most of us prefer using traditional joins and glueing, but being more into furniture than construction that is typical enough.

Many here perhaps all are here because it is a hobby they do in their spare time. Some also work in wood related trades. There is a pretty good mixture of people. Some guy earlier posted (not you and it was post #1) about how it is all tested and shut up if you don't know what you are talking about. OH my god. Personally I don't even know what is going on, really I know nothing about the joint in question but it is fun to read might learn something.

Wouldn't worry about pumping my tires up if I was you it is not until they start letting air out that you know you are one of the gang here.

Studley

I realise some of you ... are probably the same blokes whos work i inspect that go way overboard on things that dont matter and miss the important things that do matter.

I find some of your posts quite amusing, especially some of the advice given out by those who think they know it all.

I gaurantee i have had more expeirience and education than most of you ...

I doubt half of you even know what a Building Surveyor is.

That's four insults in two posts. Would you walk into a crowded pub and start throwing shyte like that around?

Originally Posted by Me

if he is an inspector

I take it back, only a Building Inspector could be that obnoxious.