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Thread: Advice on outboard turning
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22nd November 2012, 01:00 PM #31
Plenty of opinions Grant, but when it comes a consensus we are a bit like lawyers; ask 12 lawyers a question and you get 13 different opinions...
There are enthusiastic advocates on the forum for each of those three brands.
From my perspective as an outboard bowl turner, the three lathes you have nominated are very different beasts.
The Nova is primarily a swivel head lathe optimised for both inboard and outboard turning, whereas the larger Vicmarcs (not the VM175) and Stubbys (with the exception of one rare model) are fixed head inboard turning lathes.
Some bowl/platter turners prefer tail stock support for various stages of turning and for them inboard is where they do most of their turning. They seem to be able to cope with any back and neck stress caused by working over the bed while turning and sanding the inside of pieces.
My back and neck prefer outboard turning and I have learned to live without a tail stock for most of what I do.
One of the features of the Stubby is its swing bed; their particular solution that allows a more balanced stance while working the inside of pieces.
Lathe weights and build quality are other considerations which may be more or less important depending on your needs and budget.
PS - you don't see the Nova in many production turners' workshops (although I note that still has an earlier model), which might say something about where it sits in the market. It may have more of a following in artistic turning studios. The more substantial 2024 may change that.
Note: I have never used a Stubby or a Nova 2024, so take the above comments for what they are... the opinions of someone who keeps looking at all options but hasn't yet found the ideal next lathe after/beside his Woodfast C1000X...Stay sharp and stay safe!
Neil
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22nd November 2012, 03:16 PM #32Hewer of wood
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13 opinions from 12 practitioners sounds like doctrinal debates in religions
Would just add: you can do larger pieces on the VL200 and 300 by turning outboard with the VM outrigger or a freestanding tool rest. That'd give you good access to the workpiece at the expense of hefting around the toolrest. If your workpiece mounting and technique are sound, you don't need tailstock support.
Another plus with a Stubby 100 or 750 is that you can alternate outside and hollowing cuts using the supplementary headstock-mounted bed*. The downside, at least given how I like to work, is that for outside shaping you need to learn how to do pull cuts. I did but found it slower working than with push cuts alone.
As for the big Teknatool, if there's been no improvement in QC over the DVR-XP that I owned, I couldn't recommend it. That's only a sample of one I should emphasise but I found talking with other users and being on a Nova forum that my experience wasn't atypical.
In terms of service and support, here in Aus. it's hard to beat Vicmarc.
Then there's the matter of what size you need. If you're selling stuff there's not a big demand for huge bowls and platters and sourcing large sound blanks isn't easy.
My Stubby 1000 could turn 110cm diam. The biggest blank I mounted on it was 60cm, turned down to 50cm diam. That was plenty big enough to sit on a large table.
*Added: under some circumstances it can work better if you make your last cuts outside finishing cuts. The pressure of the tool is more towards the chuck and bowl flex is reduced.Cheers, Ern
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22nd November 2012, 10:07 PM #33Intermediate Member
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Thank you for the replies Gentlemen.
I am currently using a JET 1642 which is great for most of my work, but, I don't need 42" of bed length, and, thus it is a big footprint in my shed.
Also, I have some timber that is greater than 16" in diameter but cannot find an outboard steady\rest\tripod to suit the JET.
Have been lovingly looking at Vicmarc 200\300's and Stubby 750's (SWMBO says it's only a hobby!)
Must admit that the last PRC made TK chuck I bought I felt was not up to the standard of the same SN2 NZ chucks I have.
Part of the problem living here in the Wild West is that often you buy sight unseen as the obession\hobby is not in large enough in population numbers for the products to be stocked.
Thus feedback from the Forum is much appreciated.
Again, Thanks for the replies
Grant
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23rd November 2012, 03:38 PM #34
Here you are Grant. VICMARC VL175 Wood Turning lathe $3,900.00 Donnybrook WA
Looks almost unused and includes an outrigger. As new, the package worth well over $5k. And, delivered before Xmas...Stay sharp and stay safe!
Neil
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