Thread: australian woodturning exhibition

Here are the ones I took.

Firstly an over view of the hall.


Peter.

Some special ones.
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The next three are the one item, a novel way of using the instruments.
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Peter.

Finally the remaining ones, being an eclectic view of the ones that either interested me particularly or those from people I know.

I hope you enjoy them.


Peter.

Seems I missed a few.

Peter.

Thank you Osbojo and Sturdee for putting up images of some of the great exhibition entries.
Well done to all entrants on producing and sharing your great works.

These are only a small sample of what was on show but you can get your personal copy of all entries shot by a professional photographer on a DVD from the organisers for (I think) $7. plus postage.

Well worth getting for any turning club's library and dedicated turners.


Peter.

Originally Posted by Mulgabill

Thank you Osbojo and Sturdee for putting up images of some of the great exhibition entries.
Well done to all entrants on producing and sharing your great works.

+1

Thanks for the pics. It shows the show as something worth trying to get to next time round. I'll find a baby sitter

As an entrant like Tony (who I know reasonably well btw) I have entered pieces in AWTEX. I also cannot attend in person each year. Through the generosity of one of the organisers I do know that I did get some places in Intermediate. I do not know which pieces got what places, so I have to play the waiting game too.

When we enter the comp we know the rules & conditions so I have no complaints in that respect & I am in no way criticizing the organisers in any way with the following. I wish to be very clear about that. The Patron and the committee do a magnificent job of promoting wood turning, hosting and running a premier event which is a tremendous credit to all the volunteers involved and a huge boost to promoting wood turning and wood art in Australia.

I have pretty strong feelings on the posting of images of others work (or words) without their permission online on forums for several reasons. I am also not comfortable with the organisers making it possible for those attending to take photographs which then invariably end up online these days.

The conditions of entry clearly state on page 7 – “The committee …..reserves the right to photograph exhibits and publish or otherwise display those photographs for promotional or educational purposes.” That acceptance of the conditions of entry by a competitor by entering pieces I do not believe extends to consenting to others not associated with the running of the event taking images of an entrants work with or with out the committees permission.

I am very keen about promoting woodturning however I personally believe and suggest that the AWTEX committee should restrict the taking of photographs at the exhibition in future to “for personal educational use only” and place a total restriction on the reproduction of images in any form whatsoever online without the committees express written permission and especially while the event is on.

I am suggesting this for a couple of reasons firstly for the AWTEX committee to retain the rights in any images taken at the exhibition as they host the event at considerable effort & cost so they solely should benefit from any tangible rights generated from it. The committee also goes to considerable lengths to obtain HQ images of prize winning entries which it then compiles into a <st1:stockticker>DVD</st1:stockticker> of the event and sells at a nominal fee to help defray the costs of hosting the comp & exhibition. Permitting the taking of photographs by others diminishes any returns from that opportunity.

Some entrants may also object to others posting images of their work online before they get any opportunity to promote their own work or to share their successes with friends etc.

I would much rather the committee officially release images and results through a blog or on Facebook. However I’m prepared to wait and I also realize that there is only so much a very dedicated band of volunteers can do.

As for those who cannot attend & do not enter the comp I believe you have pretty unrealistic expectations in believing you have any right to view the results of the competition or any entries before the event is over. It is the committee’s sole prerogative to control the release of images and to benefit from & maximise attendances at the event.

I believe it is very poor taste for others to post images on line while the event is still running as you are robbing the committee of potential entry fees. Those that do post on line and also facilitate those images remaining on line will actually restrict the taking of images for genuine educational purposes by attendees in the future.

You are jeopardizing the future of a magnificent event!

Finally congratulations to the Patron, Ray Dennis & Daryle Broadhurst all the volunteers involved and the entrants who have kept this event alive.

Yours sincerely
Mobyturns
(aka Geoff Whaling)

Majorly disagree with preceding post. Might as well stop broadcasting the news, the Olympics, sporting events and any other public events.

We live in a world of social media. If someone does not like it don't put stuff in public events. Part of entering something like this is surely to show off your work, not in a bragging kind of way but for others to see. Had it not been for this thread and this forum I may never have heard of this event. Had it not been for the photos just posted it is highly unlikely I would have thought of attending in the future or entering anything in this show.

More pics the merrier I think. If I don't want others to see my work I won't enter.

I understand some may want to protect their designs etc. As stated earlier, 'there is nothing new under the sun'

I have some designs I'm working on which are adaptions of other things I have seen just not in my planed application. I'll prob wait till I'm satisfied with my process before I share it. Why - because others will copy. I don't have a problem with that I'd just like to be credited with starting it if indeed I do start something different. End of the day it has been done before, just have not personally seen it the way I have done it. There could be hundreds or thousands out there already.

Today is social media, not much we can do about it. Why buy a new car simply to out it up on blocks. We buy a car to use it. If we can use others to publicise our work, our events - go for it.

The negative talk for being overly restrictive will no doubt do more damage than any other fears we may have.

Originally Posted by DaveTTC

We live in a world of social media.

I understand some may want to protect their designs etc. As stated earlier, 'there is nothing new under the sun'

The negative talk for being overly restrictive will no doubt do more damage than any other fears we may have.

We do live in a new world of social media – but that does not mean respect for the rights of others goes out the window purley because you can post it online at the exhibition. The IOC, major events etc ALL controll access and publication rights - they even sell them!!!

I agree we all have to accept that any one who shows any idea has to accept that it will be used by others in the future. If you haven't the financial means to protect an idea then it is no longer yours.

Just look at the entries in any comp from one year to the next (or after a demonstrator etc) and how they have improved, the inspirations gained and improvements made from studying previous works. That is good for wood turning.

But my response had nothing whatsoever to do with protecting designs or is it being negative - it is about supporting the volunteers on the committee & retaining the rights and being able to promote the event and to recoup costs and hopefully make a small profit to keep the event going into the future without others benefiting from it before the event is over.

Originally Posted by Mobyturns

I believe it is very poor taste for others to post images on line while the event is still running as you are robbing the committee of potential entry fees.

I disagree strongly with your views and rather then robbing the committee of entry fees I believe these photos stimulate interest in the event and will increase entrants to the exhibition, if not this year then the next one.

I have pretty strong feelings on the posting of images of others work (or words) without their permission online on forums for several reasons. I am also not comfortable with the organisers making it possible for those attending to take photographs which then invariably end up online these days.

Posting photos on this forum has been done in the past and will be done in the future all with the tacit approval of the organisers, nearly all I know personally and would tell me if they objected to this. In fact we save them doing some of their promotial work at their busiest time.

If you feel that strongly, maybe you should not enter.

You are jeopardizing the future of a magnificent event!

It is indeed a magnificent event and rather then jeopardizing it we are promoting it.


Peter.

Originally Posted by Mobyturns

We do live in a new world of social media – but that does not mean respect for the rights of others goes out the window purley because you can post it online at the exhibition. The IOC, major events etc ALL controll access and publication rights - they even sell them!!!

I agree we all have to accept that any one who shows any idea has to accept that it will be used by others in the future. If you haven't the financial means to protect an idea then it is no longer yours.

Just look at the entries in any comp from one year to the next (or after a demonstrator etc) and how they have improved, the inspirations gained and improvements made from studying previous works. That is good for wood turning.

But my response had nothing whatsoever to do with protecting designs or is it being negative - it is about supporting the volunteers on the committee & retaining the rights and being able to promote the event and to recoup costs and hopefully make a small profit to keep the event going into the future without others benefiting from it before the event is over.

I am Vice President of the local business chamber of commerce where I live and on a number of other committees. The money potential you talk about is insignificant compared to other means. Money lost as a result of social media - negligible in my opinion. If someone has facts and figures that suggest otherwise then I'm happy to consider that, especially as I'm in the process of helping coordinate a number of local events over the next 12 months.

Please don't take me wrong, I'm not out to fight etc. I have a friend who is a professor in marketing, have been to numerous business lectures and all seem to say use social media to the extent possible. Care needs to be taken to do things well for social media can be a two edged sword - something goes wrong and word spreads quick.

If I was running this event I would welcome ALL the publicity I could. If others are promoting the event it is doing me a favour. If the committee want to publish and sell photos they will still get sales regardless of what is available on face book etc. There will always be the covert taking photos if you try to prevent it. The main objective I would imagine here is to
1) promote wood work, turning in this case
2) show off people's work
3) inspire others
4) create a sustainable ongoing event.

Freedom to publish pictures can only help in each case. The amount of 'possible' income lost due to pictures posted on the net is negligible compared to the potential for positive publicity. 'Loss' of publicity is a much greater loss than any small gain that may be had by limiting or preventing pictures etc.

Some individuals may not want to be identified on the net for various privacy reasons - for them I would suggest if they still want to enter to have a 'name' they use as an artist such as many writers have written under an assumed name.

All that said and done i do enjoy seeing another's opinion even if I disagree.

Are you confusing entry with entrants?

Posting comprehensive sets of images while the event is on will reduce potential entry numbers. Posting images after the event has run its course may boost entrants for next years comp.

Originally Posted by DaveTTC

If I was running this event I would welcome ALL the publicity I could. If others are promoting the event it is doing me a favour. If the committee want to publish and sell photos they will still get sales regardless of what is available on face book etc. There will always be the covert taking photos if you try to prevent it. The main objective I would imagine here is to
1) promote wood work, turning in this case
2) show off people's work
3) inspire others
4) create a sustainable ongoing event.

Freedom to publish pictures can only help in each case. The amount of 'possible' income lost due to pictures posted on the net is negligible compared to the potential for positive publicity. 'Loss' of publicity is a much greater loss than any small gain that may be had by limiting or preventing pictures etc.

Fully agree with that and I was taking the photos in the presence of committee members rather then doing it surreptitiously if taking photos was banned

Originally Posted by DaveTTC

Some individuals may not want to be identified on the net for various privacy reasons - for them I would suggest if they still want to enter to have a 'name' they use as an artist such as many writers have written under an assumed name.

I considered that as I know quite a few entrants who are forum members, and their forum name, so I made no comment to identify them.


Peter.