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    Quote Originally Posted by Osbojo View Post
    Because it's primarily a woodturning EXHIBITION. I would think that it's primary purpose is the promoting of the art of woodturning and in that respect, given the numbers that pass through, I would think it was doing a great job. An opportunity for us to display our skills and, if we're lucky, sell a few pieces.

    Or am I being naive?
    It is primarily a competition, that is why people put their peices in there, they want the opportunity to see where they stand with their peices in the woodturning community, with the hope of winning a prize.

    With the prize comes acknoledgement that you are doing a good job, but can do better next time.

    The exhibition part is just ancillary to the competition with the hope that some will sell.
    It is also a way for the committee to generate money to pay for the venue, advertising etc.

    You would find that the majority of people attending are woodies looking at their competition and getting ideas them selves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Carroll View Post
    It is primarily a competition, that is why people put their peices in there, they want the opportunity to see where they stand with their peices in the woodturning community, with the hope of winning a prize.

    With the prize comes acknoledgement that you are doing a good job, but can do better next time.

    The exhibition part is just ancillary to the competition with the hope that some will sell.
    It is also a way for the committee to generate money to pay for the venue, advertising etc.

    You would find that the majority of people attending are woodies looking at their competition and getting ideas them selves.
    If it is to morph into an exhibition with a competition attached will it survive?

    I compete to share my work, winning is the goal but winning is not a particularly high priority to me. I only wish it was more affordable to enter and to take my work down personally so I can see what other gifted makes are producing.
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    Winning is bonus, if people don't enter it won't be an exhibition or show if there is nothing to look at. I managed to get the guys in our club to enter the local show and and the stewards said numbers were up .
    And some of the first time entrants won prizes in the open classes and seemed very happy.
    initially some didn't want to enter as the same people enter every year, which was a barrier I got them to over come. Because there were a small amount of people entering.

    If I lived closer to the Woodturning exhibition I would be entering it. But due to costs of sending items down, it will be some time before I will be entering this exhibition.

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    Hi Moby,
    Usually after the show there has been in the past, a DVD of all the entrants. Used to be $5 + Postage. Could be a bit more now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by issatree View Post
    Hi Moby,
    Usually after the show there has been in the past, a DVD of all the entrants. Used to be $5 + Postage. Could be a bit more now.
    I'm actually still waiting for some I paid for in the past.
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    Well I chickened out! I was looking at $93.50 in entry fees and at least $150 in postage to enter. I can put that sort of cash to better use on tools

    I must admit I got caught out with the new rule - "Must not have been previously displayed in any exhibition, nor been the subject of any article in any published media, be it electronic or printed;"

    I chose not to enter to avoid any potential controversy as my pieces are made from linear laminated blanks that other similar pieces were made from.


    I'm not sure how I can comply with this rule given many of my pieces look similar to the typical viewer.
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    Hi guys,
    I see a few are complaining about the cost of entering AWTEX
    I made 4 different pieces and they are only small, but that was
    deliberate because of keeping cost of freight/postage to a reasonable
    rate, you can get a post bag at australia post for i think about $18.00
    delivered anywhere in australia up to 5kg!!! I pack my pieces in a
    cardboard box a bit bigger than a shoe box put the box inside the
    post bag..........could not be easier ! !.I also included another bag
    to return my pieces back to me ,
    I don, t consider that to be too costly or too hard ! !
    as woodturners the very least we can do is to support these kind
    of events when they are on, if there is no interest in the event it
    dissappear ,my only regret is i could not go personally
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    Quote Originally Posted by smiife View Post
    Hi guys,
    you can get a post bag at australia post for i think about $18.00 delivered anywhere in australia up to 5kg!!!
    I've just been through the whole exercise, and agonized over whether it is worth the expense to compete.

    The large Express Post satchel up to 5 kg is now $24.15 and is the only way to go as it can be tracked & you can be pretty sure it will arrive by the required date. The satchels unfortunately do not hold much in the way of volume, so two or 3 are required each way even for a modest 6 or 8 entries of relatively small items if you want them to arrive in one piece. You can only fit in a smallish bowl or a couple of goblets per satchel. The goblets weigh a whopping 38 grams each, but the volume kills you..

    500 x 500 x 250 mm parcel that weighs >1 & < 20 kg costs $72.85 ( 1 kg $17, 2 kg $72.85)) standard or $214.25 Express ( 1 kg $27.50) plus an extra $15 for $1000 insurance if you want it - each way. Go over 1 kg and you may as well enter 22 kg of items that will fit the box!

    500 x 500 x 500 mm a parcel but still >1 & <20 kg costs sky rocket to $132.85 standard or wait for it $413.45 Express - remember these are each way costs.

    Standard delivery is hit and miss, even return express post can take 7 days most times from Melbourne to Townsville.

    I know from past experience that it is more economic & you can fit more "small items" in 3 satchels than the one 500 x 500 x 250 mm box/parcel, plus you don't have "all your eggs in one basket." I've also gone to the extent of trial making the largest possible cardboard box which will physically fit into a satchel.

    For me to enter a piece similar to the Mashrabyia panel I displayed at Turnfest will cost $57 minimum just to enter it alone if it would fit the 5 kg satchel - it doesn't. So I'm up for $72.85 minimum but I can include other pieces if I want to send it regular or $215.25 Express. Two goblets $63 etc so $120 min for 3 pieces alone.

    Then I have to factor in the chance of attracting the judges eye to get a first place to have any chance of recouping entry costs as the comp is a "winner take all" affair, no minor prizes or prize money. I realize "The committee will subsidise return freight of up to $30 per entrant on exhibits entered ‘available for sale’ but which are not sold at the Exhibition. Exhibits not offered for sale will not have return freight subsidised." I have never asked for such payment as the exhibition should not have to subsidize my entry costs.

    I am not complaining, its simply the way things are. It is actually smarter to book a cheap airfare, fly down & hand deliver, which is what I may do next year. It takes careful planning to keep items & packaging under 1 kg.

    ps I can actually send one goblet using a 500g parcel to the USA for the AAW Pittsburgh symposium with three options < $22 now (was $14)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Carroll View Post
    It is primarily a competition, that is why people put their peices in there, they want the opportunity to see where they stand with their peices in the woodturning community, with the hope of winning a prize.

    With the prize comes acknoledgement that you are doing a good job, but can do better next time.

    The exhibition part is just ancillary to the competition with the hope that some will sell.
    It is also a way for the committee to generate money to pay for the venue, advertising etc.

    You would find that the majority of people attending are woodies looking at their competition and getting ideas them selves.

    I disagree. surely it would be the Australian Woodturning Competition if that were the case. As a member of a club who have been involved in the very early days, we have always considered it an Exhibition and would like to think our members would continue to exhibit without the benefit of prizes. yes, it is good to see how our efforts stand as far as our own development is concerned and, to a lesser degree, within the community as a whole. The judging scores are useful to see our weaknesses and give an indication of areas for improvement. It's the scores that give the indication not the prize which is only awarded to first place. As far as I'm concerned, the Exhibition is all about displaying the art/craft publicly and an opportunity to attract new members. I for one started turning after visiting AWTEx and have put in pieces that I think are good enough to exhibit but don't expect to be awarded a place. Hopefully, others share my belief that entering promotes woodturning and by entering items we get a feel for our own progress, support the exhibition, promote woodturning and hopefully, get a few folk interested enough to join us in our hobby.


    I'm sure that the professional turners think differently and perhaps see it as a way to increase their annual income.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobyturns View Post
    I've just been through the whole exercise, and agonized over whether it is worth the expense to compete.

    The large Express Post satchel up to 5 kg is now $24.15 and is the only way to go as it can be tracked & you can be pretty sure it will arrive by the required date. The satchels unfortunately do not hold much in the way of volume, so two or 3 are required each way even for a modest 6 or 8 entries of relatively small items if you want them to arrive in one piece. You can only fit in a smallish bowl or a couple of goblets per satchel. The goblets weigh a whopping 38 grams each, but the volume kills you..

    500 x 500 x 250 mm parcel that weighs >1 & < 20 kg costs $72.85 ( 1 kg $17, 2 kg $72.85)) standard or $214.25 Express ( 1 kg $27.50) plus an extra $15 for $1000 insurance if you want it - each way. Go over 1 kg and you may as well enter 22 kg of items that will fit the box!

    500 x 500 x 500 mm a parcel but still >1 & <20 kg costs sky rocket to $132.85 standard or wait for it $413.45 Express - remember these are each way costs.

    Standard delivery is hit and miss, even return express post can take 7 days most times from Melbourne to Townsville.

    I know from past experience that it is more economic & you can fit more "small items" in 3 satchels than the one 500 x 500 x 250 mm box/parcel, plus you don't have "all your eggs in one basket." I've also gone to the extent of trial making the largest possible cardboard box which will physically fit into a satchel.

    For me to enter a piece similar to the Mashrabyia panel I displayed at Turnfest will cost $57 minimum just to enter it alone if it would fit the 5 kg satchel - it doesn't. So I'm up for $72.85 minimum but I can include other pieces if I want to send it regular or $215.25 Express. Two goblets $63 etc so $120 min for 3 pieces alone.

    Then I have to factor in the chance of attracting the judges eye to get a first place to have any chance of recouping entry costs as the comp is a "winner take all" affair, no minor prizes or prize money. I realize "The committee will subsidise return freight of up to $30 per entrant on exhibits entered ‘available for sale’ but which are not sold at the Exhibition. Exhibits not offered for sale will not have return freight subsidised." I have never asked for such payment as the exhibition should not have to subsidize my entry costs.

    I am not complaining, its simply the way things are. It is actually smarter to book a cheap airfare, fly down & hand deliver, which is what I may do next year. It takes careful planning to keep items & packaging under 1 kg.

    ps I can actually send one goblet using a 500g parcel to the USA for the AAW Pittsburgh symposium with three options < $22 now (was $14)
    Hi moby,
    I can, t understand why you have to send such a volume of works
    Why can, t you just send ,,,, say a couple of those fantastic goblets
    you make ? maybe a small bowl etc, also why does It have to be express
    If you organise yourself properly you could send your work
    a couple of weeks before the due date , and i have just checked
    a post bag costs $17.10 anywhere in australia , i think you are just
    making things out to be tougher than they really are !!!
    It ain, t that hard...................
    Cheers smiife

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    Quote Originally Posted by smiife View Post
    Hi moby,
    I can, t understand why you have to send such a volume of works
    Why can, t you just send ,,,, say a couple of those fantastic goblets
    you make ? maybe a small bowl etc, also why does It have to be express
    If you organise yourself properly you could send your work
    a couple of weeks before the due date , and i have just checked
    a post bag costs $17.10 anywhere in australia , i think you are just
    making things out to be tougher than they really are !!!
    It ain, t that hard...................
    Could be! Ordinary parcel post is hit and miss with delivery times. It has taken over three weeks for items to come back after some AWTEX events. I'm only talking 8 or 9 small pieces but since my goblets and the Mashrabiya panels are fragile they need to be well packed. I believe the 5 kg Express parcel is the only way to go. Postage costs have escalated a fair bit in the past few years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smiife View Post
    Hi moby,
    I can, t understand why you have to send such a volume of works
    Why can, t you just send ,,,, say a couple of those fantastic goblets
    you make ? maybe a small bowl etc, also why does It have to be express
    If you organise yourself properly you could send your work
    a couple of weeks before the due date , and i have just checked
    a post bag costs $17.10 anywhere in australia , i think you are just
    making things out to be tougher than they really are !!!
    It ain, t that hard...................
    I suspect its all to do with where you live FNQ is simply FNQ and therefore expensive. For me Sydney is not, according to the postal rate on the PO website I'm up for $26, plus entry and any other incidentals .
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    I know pricing Is an issue for some people especially up north and W A but if you are going to enter then consider the cost and adjust to suit . I donate every year to the exhibition because I never finish what I enter but who cares. I enter to support the exhibition and hopefully do ok. If to you its all about the cost to enter you have missed the whole point of the exhibition
    How about some good posts about the exhibition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mick61 View Post
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    Hear, hear.
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    Please don't read my post as negative. I'm all for shows, exhibitions and competitions.

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