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16th August 2007, 08:30 AM #1
To foot or not?
Good morning everyone,
Went to the shed last night, grabbed me a lump of the brown stuff, whacked it on the spinny thing (@600rpm) roughed it down with the broad curled chisel, got out the flat roundy one, negotiated the knot and started to form the bottom of a bowl, I know creative genius idea.... a bowl..., cut the tenon for mounting on the chuck and thought to myself......"what kind of bottom are you making here genius?",..... I was stumped, I answered myself to stop the silence "well this is where you make the foot"..... and then the clanger.... "why?". hmmmm......., that wasnt called for..... Im not a kid anymore....I quickly turned everything off, fled to the fridge and a nice cold Coopers and went to watch The Cook and the Chef.
Seriously, in glass the foot is used to absorb shock minimise the risk of the whole piece breaking, I suspect the same for clay pots. In metal its to limit the damage when you clunk your tankard on the bar. But in wood?. Is it because we copy forms from other materials and styles? or is there a practical reason?
Of course well turned out feet are a turn on, particularly when the turner judiciously carves a number of scallops to make really feety looking feet. Turned feet on the bottom of a graceful curve can add to the overall form but can also look like, well... a foot, cause thats what we do. Flat feet can be cool too, Im thnking of brekky type flat bowls. I can see the need when there are liquids about and you dont want your platter of horse douvres dribbling spilt champagne over Aunt Eustice as you gratiously serve her, but apart from that?
Apart from the aesthetic, why feet?
Sebastiaan
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16th August 2007, 08:43 AM #2
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16th August 2007, 09:16 AM #3
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Hi Seb,
Morning??? Its 11pm over here!!!
The way I see it there are 3 main reasons (and probably many more!!) to have a foot on a bowl...
1/ Stability
2/ To "lift" a piece from the surface it sits on making it look lighter
3/ As a feature (although these are often exagerated tall feet etc)
If I think of any more I'll add them later !
One reason to have a foot which (in my humble opinion) is not valid is that "it's where the chuck held it"
Just some thoughts, hope they help
RichardWoodturning by Richard Findley at www.turnersworkshop.co.uk
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16th August 2007, 10:50 AM #4Hewer of wood
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Yes, I'd agree with Richard, tho will allow combining the use of the foot as a chucking point with one of the three reasons to have one.
One reason not to have a foot is what it can do to the feel of the piece when you hold it ie. make it bottom heavy. You can counter this by making a recess in it for your chuck expansion space - many folk think this limits the grip but I've rarely found a problem.
Many feet are pretty plain but don't have to be ... a bead or cove can add interest.Cheers, Ern
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16th August 2007, 03:40 PM #5
My views about feet on vessels are heavily influenced by my other craft, which is pottery. My pottery teachers were also heavily influenced by the Japanese ceramic tradition. In that tradition, a piece cannot be fully appreciated until its foot is closely examined. It’s the execution of the foot that helps distinguish the master from the apprentice. I put an equal amount of aesthetic consideration into the foot as I do into the rim, and, of course, into the relationship between the two.
I have been a subscriber to the NZ Woodturners Association and they have had a protracted ‘discussion’ in their magazine over the years about the foot, and in particular the extent to which the making process (tennon recesses, etc) should remain obvious in the finished item. They have tended towards the view that any remnant of the making and holding process detracts from the quality of the finished piece. I might add that some Australian woodturners have, in part, influenced this view.
I don’t share that view. For me the foot is a window into the making process and its maker that, if well executed, is as integral part of the overall design. If I like someone’s work, I usually pick it up to see whose signature is on the foot and then enjoy, or otherwise, the craftsperson’s competence in the detail, execution, and balance of the foot in relation to the overall piece.
Of course, as indicated by Richard and Ern and without getting into the form versus function debate, the practicalities of function also have to be satisfied. Large platters need wide feet, etc, etc.
NeilStay sharp and stay safe!
Neil
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16th August 2007, 03:52 PM #6GOLD MEMBER
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Good afternoon, Sebastiaan.
Your love for Coopers obviously qualifies you as a man of discerning taste . Besides this, I also agree with you that the only reasons for the bowl foot are aesthetic ones.
To those who expect it to provide stability I would ask: how? Unless you define a vase or a goblet "a bowl on a foot" (which would deeply offend Skew!), the bottom of a bowl is by definition larger than the foot, therefore a flat bottom is more stable than the smaller foot. Unless they changed physics while I was not looking...
Cheers
Frank
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16th August 2007, 05:03 PM #7Hewer of wood
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.. well yes, if the flat bottom isn't; ie. is concave, so that if it sits on an uneven surface there's a ring rather than a disc in contact, which will make it less prone to rock.
Last edited by rsser; 16th August 2007 at 05:04 PM. Reason: 'but' edited out
Cheers, Ern
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16th August 2007, 06:42 PM #8
Without feet, or some form of stabilisation such as drooping wings on a winged bowl (which, oddly enough, are often called "feet" anyway ) you're limiting the form of the bowl. It'd need to have a flat or concave base to sit squarely, even on a perfectly level surface. As often than not mine have convex bases... so some form of foot is a necessity. Whether they be tiny little warts or a massive great ringed bead. It's either that or make a seperate stand! (Which I'm sure most of us have also tried at some stage...)
(And goblets? I've always said they were just end-grain bowls on stilts. )
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16th August 2007, 10:53 PM #9
I don't have a foot fetish, I am however into nice looking bottoms.
Cliff.
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16th August 2007, 11:00 PM #10GOLD MEMBER
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16th August 2007, 11:10 PM #11GOLD MEMBER
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Ern, Skew, that's semantics: we were talking about the foot as a structural unity (that also has to be concave etc ), not about the rim of a recess or multiple "legs"... and, Cliff, don't start with legs now...
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16th August 2007, 11:46 PM #14
Ummm Skew.... what planet are you on?
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16th August 2007, 11:50 PM #15GOLD MEMBER
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"well this is where you make the foot"
Turned feet on the bottom of a graceful curve can add to the overall form but can also look like, well... a foot
Semantics? But I'm not Hebrew!
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