Thread: Put your hand up who gives credit were credit is due??

Originally Posted by hermit1831291

This thread has been gnawing at me since I first saw it. I'm nervous about copying anything now, since most of the time I have no idea where the idea originated. It's very limiting, but I'm worried that if I post something that is very similar to someone else's work and don't give any credit, I'll be branded as a thief.

I think that Is a shame if people are worried about making
things and also posting on this forum, there will be a decline
of other peoples ideas ,it is obviously making people nervous
I for one like to see what others are making, good or bad it is
always Interesting, so do others think we should carry on or
should we just not post anymore? In fear of being sued!

Originally Posted by smiife

I think that Is a shame if people are worried about making
things and also posting on this forum, there will be a decline
of other peoples ideas ,it is obviously making people nervous
I for one like to see what others are making, good or bad it is
always Interesting, so do others think we should carry on or
should we just not post anymore? In fear of being sued!

I've been thinking about it some more and don't think I personally have to worry about it for a long time, if ever. No matter what I try to copy, mine won't look anything like the original.

Seriously, though, I reckon there's nothing to worry about as long as we exercise due diligence and, if we feel that something is someone else's 'original' work, we give full credit. It'll be in the back of my mind forever now - not a bad thing.

Now back to my attempts to copy Cindy Drozda. Nothing to worry about there.......

Possibly Id say the the two biggest influences on me as a turner are and Richard Raffin. I have spent time with, Richard I have spent time watching his DVD's.

I don't think my work reflects their work though if I were to teach I would likely use some of their expressions. They may or may not of got their expressions and ideas from their mentors.

In reality I hope I pick up a little something from every person I rub shoulders with, whether I am inspired to mimic their work, develop their work or use their ideas (or part there of) in a completely different application.

More than happy to credit my mentors and inspiration


Dave the turning cowboy

turning wood into art

Here we go I was looking at a travel flyer and Saw a Roman column and thought it would make a nice table lamp who does the the credit go to? I don't know who made the stone column and the one I have turned out of timber is smaller than the columns in Rome And is serving a different purpose.
I know this is a bit off topic. But where does this leave me? It's a copy of someone else's work, was it made by fattus demestos 900 B.C.

Once again Mobyturns has opened my eyes with post 13 and 28. Good thought provoking stuff.

The challenge to look up and read "Dale Chihuly copyright infringement" was worthy. At first, you think "this person is having a bit of a go" and then you realise just how ripped off this dude is. Every slimy filthy grasping scumbag imaginable has tried to pass off his work as their own, stolen and copied material wholesale, pretending as if his unique forms and artistic interpretations are mere "applications of the craft"... And worse, the lawyers...WHY are more lawyers not shot?

Post 28 is the same. Unbelievably thought provoking stuff.

What really grabs me though and deflects the whole "columns of Rome" arguement is that it's quite ok to use artistic interpretation, deference and stylistic ideas and incorporate them into a new work....but it's entirely bull to simply flog another's work wholesale and pass it off as your own.

Once you read the material and see the original artists, a "reasonable man" would say its unfair, bogus and a fraud.

It's not even a matter of law, it's a matter of morals and fraud.

Imagine if you had sweated and bled to create greatness, then some sheister simply copies you identically and sells out at 1/10th the price?

Hermit

Originally Posted by Hermit

I noticed that Moby told Smiife, regarding the lattice turning, "I think you are OK with the lattice turnings for now".


I don't quite understand the 'for now'. Does that mean we can have a go at it while learning, but can't display or sell lattice turnings once we know what we're doing? Or can we copy whatever we like, as long as we give full credit.

Hermit first off I'm only giving my view on this topic and not advice. The fair dealing exception recognizes copying for research or study purposes. So yes for learning, & no it is not OK to simply copy another artists "original" work without their permission, giving credit or not, if the work is to be used for other than research or study.

This is all subjective and of course their will be varying opinions as to the "originality" of work (that's why we have lawyers). Remember the "original" work has to be sufficiently original for their to be a legitimate claim, and the test an honest and fair person. Techniques in common use or shared by the "original" artist are not protected by copyright. The Dale Chihuly case is an excellent example of how each party has made a claim and is prepared to defend their claim & to protect an income stream.

Some copies really test the relationships between "original" artist and those who try to emulate their work. When you see pieces that use the same timber/s, profiles, patterns, techniques, there is something unique about the form or the combination of the elements, well I feel an honest & fair person will say they are a copy.
As stated above the trick is to "steal from many" and to make it your own. Making derivative works is OK.

Largely this matter does not affect the hobby turner as in most cases the copy will be seen to be just that an attempt to emulate or copy and generally it is "inferior" to the original artists work. The problems arise when the copy becomes more than an inferior copy and/or more than just for personal study or research or there is money/incomes involved.