Thread: Larger lathes currently available here in Australia

Originally Posted by Old Croc

Nothing on their website except Laguna?
Rgds,
Crocy.

It is not on their website. A friend of mine is looking for a large lathe and Laguna is out of stock everywhere locally. Gregmach have suggest Harvey to him instead.

Cheers

Originally Posted by saladonion

Hi,

Anyone has any experience and thoughts on Harvey T50 or T60 lathes? Apparently, Gregmach are selling these and come with M33 x 3.5 thread.

Cheers

I did not include the Harveys in the table because of their similarity to the Lagunas as they do have a similar heritage, although they do vary from the Lagunas, like having cast iron rather than steel bedways.

New Harvey T60-S | American Association of Woodturners

Here is a review of the Harvey T-60

http://www.turnedbyian.com/content/p...0%20Review.pdf

If anyone is interested in sorting out the differences between the Lagunas and the Harveys they might like to give us a summary of those details with a post here.

From what I can see from a quick look, we don't seem to get the Harvey T-60 here, like they do in the US... see here

What we seem to be offered here is the T-50. Made and assembled in China by Harvey.

T-50 Variable Speed Woodworking Lathe, View variable speed wood lathe, HARVEY Product Details from Nanjing Harvey Machinery Co., Ltd. on Alibaba.com

Sold here by

Harvey T-50 Wood Lathe - Bigger Boyz Toyz

This recent addition at Timbecon would qualify as a larger lathe based on its HP. Currently selling from Timbecon for $3,199 during December Sale! So, at a lower price point. Here are its specs from their website.

Motor	2 HP, 220V, 3-phase with single-phase VFD
Power requirement	220V, single-phase
Swing over bed	406mm (16in)
Swing over tool rest base	290mm (11.5in)
Distance between centers	1050mm (42in)
Base Material	Heavy-duty, precision machined steel bed and cast-iron legs
Headstock Spindle	M30 x 3.5TPI RH
Speed Control	Variable-speed spindle control with digital readout
Speed Range	High: 250-3200 RPM / Low: 100-1200 RPM
Spindle	MT#2 spindle & tailstock tapers
Spindle bore	.445in
Tool post diameter	25mm
Overall dimensions	1975mm x 570mm x 1195mm
Approximate shipping weight	179kg

I laughed out loud when I saw what they are offering as an outboard tool rest...


A third party option might improve on that arrangement.

I won't try to add to the spreadsheet, but here it is at Timbecon if anyone is interested.

https://www.timbecon.com.au/sherwood...745b-375164186

And here is a 'review' by Andrew Potocnik

Choosing Your Lathe - Part 5 - YouTube

Neil, that new lathe from Timbecon has quite a few things to make it interesting and for some people there will be value for them.

The tool post is 25.4mm, not 25mm according to Andrew Potocnik. I like that Timbecon, in general, advertise their products in metric with inches or whatever in brackets; I applaud that.

I agree about the outboard turning system being a bit flimsy; that said, I myself have made something like that for long spindle turning; 1.2m, which did the job. But I wouldn't like to subject their unit to heavy use, that angle iron may end up like a corrugated roof over time from the thunk, thunk, thunk of initial rough bowl blank turning.

I have stood alongside Andrew, he is taller than me. That lathe looks to be quite tall going from what I could see in the clip, I would suggest it may be too tall for me. I wonder if it was on wheels, as shown on the static pictures on their site? I'm 1.74m.

They make much mention of the motor being a servo instead of an induction type, I don't know much about these kinds of things, but going on their spiel they certainly seem to be implying it is better.

Mick.

Looks like a copy of the Powermatic 3520?

Originally Posted by NeilS

I did not include the Harveys in the table because of their similarity to the Lagunas as they do have a similar heritage, although they do vary from the Lagunas, like having cast iron rather than steel bedways.

New Harvey T60-S | American Association of Woodturners

Here is a review of the Harvey T-60

http://www.turnedbyian.com/content/p...0%20Review.pdf

If anyone is interested in sorting out the differences between the Lagunas and the Harveys they might like to give us a summary of those details with a post here.

From what I can see from a quick look, we don't seem to get the Harvey T-60 here, like they do in the US... see here

What we seem to be offered here is the T-50. Made and assembled in China by Harvey.

T-50 Variable Speed Woodworking Lathe, View variable speed wood lathe, HARVEY Product Details from Nanjing Harvey Machinery Co., Ltd. on Alibaba.com

Sold here by

Harvey T-50 Wood Lathe - Bigger Boyz Toyz

Neil, as best as I can remember when Gregmach imported the 1st batch of Laguna lathes into Aus they were made in China from the same castings as the Powermatic's by Harvey Industries. They were for the US market as they have a UN8 1 1/4" spindle thread, but were retrofitted with a 240v Delta VSD and 3phase AC motor for Australia. Not sure how many were sold here before they changed to the welded construction.
I went to the Brisbane Timber and Working with Wood Show to look at the lathe on Gregmach's stand and they had both the Laguna and the Powermatic side by side, so you could see the identical castings except for the headstock.
Rgds,
Crocy.

Originally Posted by Old Croc

Neil, as best as I can remember when Gregmach imported the 1st batch of Laguna lathes into Aus they were made in China from the same castings as the Powermatic's by Harvey Industries. They were for the US market as they have a UN8 1 1/4" spindle thread, but were retrofitted with a 240v Delta VSD and 3phase AC motor for Australia. Not sure how many were sold here before they changed to the welded construction.
I went to the Brisbane Timber and Working with Wood Show to look at the lathe on Gregmach's stand and they had both the Laguna and the Powermatic side by side, so you could see the identical castings except for the headstock.
Rgds,
Crocy.

Thanks Crocy for the chronology on that development.

Originally Posted by Pat

Looks like a copy of the Powermatic 3520?

Yes, Pat, there is a lot of rebadging happening now with castings coming out of the same source factories and then optioned up or down to target different markets and price points.

Looking past the different paint jobs, the same DNA can be seen. Although, it is often the fittings that make a difference to the usability of a lathe. So, buyers still have to take a close look to see if they are getting value for their particular purposes.

I just had another squiz at that clip from Timbecon. I've just been doing some work with an ungainly piece of timber and with something like what I had on my lathe, I really appreciated the safety factor of having a "remote to the work piece control," at the rear of my lathe. Meaning I can start something turning without standing in the line of fire, which is what one aims for whenever using a lathe.

If you look at the clip at 5'30" you will see Andrew starting the lathe with his entire arm wrapped around the piece to start the lathe. There is also the issue of having your face and chest literally cm's away from the now revolving blank. I'm not exactly sure I would be comfortable turning the speed up with a large rough blank attached to the wobble point, then a slight back off.

Mick.

Originally Posted by Optimark

If you look at the clip at 5'30" you will see Andrew starting the lathe with his entire arm wrapped around the piece to start the lathe. There is also the issue of having your face and chest literally cm's away from the now revolving blank. I'm not exactly sure I would be comfortable turning the speed up with a large rough blank attached to the wobble point, then a slight back off.

Mick.

My preference is to have a movable control and to locate that in the optimum position for both safety and comfort. Mine is usually next to me well away from the lathe and out of the firing line.

But that feature comes at an extra cost, which for me is money well spent.

Others might have different priorities.

Adding the Record Power Coronet Envoy to the list with available info and current price.

Note: The prices on the lathes previously put on the list are all likely to have gone up since they were posted back in Nov 2020.

Make	Record Power
Model	Coronet Envoy
Nominal HP	2
kW	1.5
Configuration	Sliding/Swivel Hd.
Centre Height to Bed	205mm
Swing over bed/gap	410mm
Outboard Swing	1000mm
Between Centers	610mm
Working Height to Centre	?
Swivel Head	Yes
Sliding Head	Yes
Thread	M33 x 3.5
Indexing Holes	24
Morse Taper	No 2
Bearings
EVS via 3 Ratios	250 - 3800 rpm
2 Ratios
Reverse
Toolrest Post	1"
Headstock Bore
Through Tailstock
Quill Travel
Net Weight	140 kg
Dimen L x W x H	1435 x 540 x 1210
Features & factors	Cast iron
Indicative price (excluding delivery)	$3,000

you could try the Hughie Mk 2
Dual bed, major swing 900, secondary 500, 1.5m between centres, triple bearing headstock, motor as big as you want, extra long banjo 300+, any colour want as long as its black.

Thanks for keeping this updated NeilS- good daydream fuel at work!

Originally Posted by NeilS

Adding the Record Power Coronet Envoy to the list with available info and current price.

While you're at it... there's also the Coronet Regent, similar thing but 18" over bed and 2kW for $3600. You could probably even include it in the same listing as the Envoy.

Originally Posted by Silver Capsicum

While you're at it... there's also the Coronet Regent, similar thing but 18" over bed and 2kW for $3600. You could probably even include it in the same listing as the Envoy.

OK, here is the Regent now added:

Addition to Larger lathes currently available here in Australia
Added: 4 Aug 2022
Make	Record	Record
Model	Coronet Envoy	Coronet Regent
Nominal HP	2	3
kW	1.5	2
Configuration	Sliding/Swivel Hd.	Sliding/Swivel Hd.
Centre Height to Bed	205mm	205mm
Swing over bed/gap	410mm	460mm
Outboard Swing	1000mm	1000mm
Between Centers	610mm	610mm
Working Height to Centre	?	?
Swivel Head	Yes	Yes
Sliding Head	Yes	Yes
Thread	M33 x 3.5	M33 x 3.5
Indexing Holes	24	24
Morse Taper	No 2	No 2
Bearings
EVS via 3 Ratios	250 - 3800 rpm	250 - 3800 rpm
2 Ratios
Reverse
Toolrest Post	1"	1"
Headstock Bore
Through Tailstock
Quill Travel
Net Weight	140 kg	145 kg
Dimen L x W x H	1435 x 540 x 1210	1480 x 540 x 12150
Features & factors	Cast iron	Cast iron
Indicative price (excluding delivery)	$3,000	$3,600