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23rd May 2021, 07:47 PM #1Intermediate Member
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Lathe choice
Hi All,
Just wanted to put this out and see what others think.
I have a choice of 2 lathes. Both similar specs, one new and the other 30 or so years old.
I know a very little bit about wood turning and have turned up a dozen or so bowls and other objects between centres. I feel I am confident with the basics.
I also know, I dont know a lot about machines and am looking at a few options.
- A brand new Carbatec economy Midi Lathe (the Sherwood seems to have better specs but I am nowhere near a store, I am not home a lot during the day to accept a delivery)
- A used older but better quality machine (better when new anyway...) something like the nova pictured. Might be sold by the time I make up my mind but I assume there will be others.
Questions
Is there anything to look out for when buying an older machine?
Would a better built but older machine give a better experience than a cheap newbie.
Am I on the wrong track?
For some perspective
I dont have any grand plans to take over the world with my woodturning. I have a modest workshop setup that I am always looking to build on. I am also always looking for a new challenge with the time I have to spend in the shed. I think some smaller bowls would be a good start. I have no plans on building table legs.
I also have to stick to a machine with a smaller footprint like the ones pictured. I will need to sell something to fit this in, at this stage its looking like I have under 1m of wall space to store it.
Appreciate any input that others with experience may have.
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23rd May 2021, 08:44 PM #2
G'day.
My 2 cents as I've owned a mini woodfast lathe the same size as the carbatech model and currently own an old refurbed Woodfast lathe. I have previously owned two other older woodfast lathes but for number of reasons couldn't hang onto them
I found the small woodfast perfect for pen turning which I primarily turned for a while. When I started out with some small bowls it didn't seem to have the torque necessary and I also had a lot to learn (still do) about sharpening and techniques.
The things I love about the old woodfast or generally older lathes is they are usually made out of materials made to last. Sturdy materials and the parts that can deteriorate like motors or switch panels speed controller etc can he replaced and improved on. Once refurbed they will have a new life.
Also a lot of other smart people either on this forum or not have modified or improved things on some of these older lathes so can be used as a walk through guide on what you can do before spending money on it. Very useful
Old sturdy lathes are my preference. Or maybe that's just because I can't afford a Vicmarc lathe yet
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23rd May 2021, 10:22 PM #3
That Carbatec lathe only has a 1/2 HP motor, which is pretty weedy. Even the description for it states, "the 1/2 HP induction motor has more than enough power for projects like pen turning and small spindle turning".
At least it is cheap, but personally I'd recommend either this Sherwood https://www.timbecon.com.au/sherwood...tion-motor-evs or this Rikon 315mm (12.5”) x 510mm (20”) Variable Speed MIDI Lathe 70-220VSR by Rikon – Rikon Australia however you're looking at three times the cost. For that you get increased capacity, a 1 HP motor with variable speed and reverse and a 1" tool post compared to the 5/8" on the Carbatec model. I have the Rikon and I think it's excellent.
If the price is an issue I guess I'd be looking at a second hand one.
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23rd May 2021, 11:40 PM #4
Do you have a woodworking guild, club or Men’s Shed anywhere near you? If you can join one of those you should get some hands-on instruction on possibly a couple of different models and experience what size and features become important to you.
I bought the Carbatec lathe about a dozen years ago predominantly for pen turning; which it coped with quite happily. But then I wanted to do some better spindle and bowl turning; at which point it’s small size and lack of power really stood out so I sold it and now have a Record Coronet Herald. A vastly superior machine in every single feature.Nothing succeeds like a budgie without a beak.
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24th May 2021, 12:15 AM #5
There's also this one from a business near Brisbane (unsure of where you are in QLD) that is much the same as the Sherwood and Rikon models I mentioned, but cheaper than either of them at $1099. They say it's their last one. WOODFAST WL1220A MIDI LATHE w Variable Speed | Woodwork Machinery..
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24th May 2021, 07:16 AM #6Senior Member
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I've had a Hafco WL14V for a few months now and it's not a bad little lathe. It has 2 mechanical (change the drive belt position) and electronic variable speed (~850 to ~3,000 rpm in high range). I am only interested in doing small stuff like pens so this lathe suits my needs. If you were to fit a 4 jaw scroll chuck to any lathe you will loose 50 to 75mm from the bed length, then you loose some more if you fit a live centre in the tail stock. Avoid at all costs the lightweight fabricated things from the large green shed, they flex and flop around something awful if what you are turning is the least bit out-of-round, or at least the one I had did some years ago. But it did make a reasonable drum sander once I finished trying to make it turn tree branches with it.
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25th May 2021, 02:04 PM #7
Of those two, definitely the Nova.
Stay sharp and stay safe!
Neil
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25th May 2021, 02:26 PM #8Senior Member
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NeilS is probably right, the Nova has a good reputation but it depends on the depth of the bank balance. Electronic variable speed is really handy, swapping drive belts around can be a pain.
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25th May 2021, 03:15 PM #9Senior Member
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Just got an e-mail from Timbecon telling me that you can save a couple of hundred dollars on some Sherwood lathes. Might be worth a look.
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25th May 2021, 04:54 PM #10Senior Member
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What are the thoughts on new Nova Comet II DR FOR spindle and bowl turning as the first lathe?
Nova Comet II DR Midi Lathe - EVS with Digital Readout | Carbatec
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25th May 2021, 06:28 PM #11
For that money, or close to it, I reckon you can do better. Might be worth giving Carrolls woodworking supplies a call and asking when they expect to have more of these in stock---> CWS Store - Woodfast WL1220A 320VS Midi Lathe
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25th May 2021, 06:47 PM #12
This business in Melbourne has the Rikon 70-220VSR for much the same price-----> Rikon Lathe 70-220VSR Midi Single Phase - JC WALSH MACHINERY & SERVICE PTY LTD
Both of these lathes I mentioned are basically the same lathe and are a better bet than the Comet, more capacity, more power, 1" Vs 5/8" tool post, and 53 kg Vs 34 kg (more weight is better).
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25th May 2021, 06:51 PM #13Intermediate Member
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Thanks for everyone's input. I appreciate you all taking the time to share your wisdom. Not sure what I will do yet. Might take some time to think..
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26th May 2021, 11:15 AM #14
Putting aside whether you go with a Holden or Ford, or whatever, the current generation of midi lathes with variable speed are very good value for the money.
They are a good first lathe being able to do much of what many woodturners do.
If you later find it has limits, you can:
- Trade up - resale value at this price point should be good
- Hang on to it and call it your second lathe... : ~}
- Being lighter/smaller, keep it for taking to club meetings and the like
Stay sharp and stay safe!
Neil
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26th May 2021, 02:29 PM #15Senior Member
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Thank you @Biggus and @NeilS.
I am leaning towards Woodfast. Will go contact Carolls for availability and checking it out in person.
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