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25th February 2012, 02:09 PM #1Hewer of wood
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The 'modern' Longworth chuck - some comments
Leslie Longworth first developed this form of chuck in the 80s, here in Aus. Since then it's been a DIY project but a couple of years ago a US crowd went into commercial production. They use phenolic plates of 7mm thickness each. Buttons or grippers are slightly tapered silicon rubber, 1" high. 1/2" are now available.
Its purpose is to allow you to finish a foot on an otherwise completed bowl. Light cuts only.
The Longworth's design advantage is quick fitting of the bowl. And it does very well at that. This commercial version has a pickup at the rear to mount in a 2" set of jaws on a scroll chuck and that works well too.
An alternative is Cole jaws and they need the buttons or grippers relocated for almost every new piece and that's a fiddle, as is fitting the quadrants to a scroll chuck.
A vacuum chuck is another way of finishing a foot but that has its own limitations. And costs.
All up, this is a well made and useful bit of gear that comes with good instructions. My only dislike is the standard grippers. I find them too soft and too tall. No drama; your local rubber supplies place (Clark Rubber where I am) will provide cheap alternatives with some hacking perhaps.
I'll now be replacing them with Vicmarc style grippers as fitted to their Cole jaws. Straight swap. They're squarish with opposing faces either convex or concave. Those faces give you half a chance of using the chuck in expansion mode with bowls that have an inward curving top.
The 'modern' Longworth is available from Jim Carroll. Click
(I have no financial interest in any of these products, other than as a buyer).Cheers, Ern
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26th February 2012, 09:03 AM #2
I find my two Longworth chucks to be very handy. Easier to set up and use than my Donut chuck and true light cuts are the requirement with these. With mine the grippers are a mix of DIY,Teknatool and Vicmarc. The variance has occurred with the need of different jobs. My DIY have been made to date from rubber stoppers used on the end of walking sticks.
I note several comments on USA sites about losing the work piece and the results are that they shy away from using the Longworth. So it would seem its not as popular over there as else where.
IMHO the Longworth is a valuable addition to wood turning and advent of commercially made chucks is a welcome advance. I say this because not every one can produce one with accuracy. The commercially available ones would be cut on a cnc or laser set up for cost effectiveness and greater accuracy. As most laser cutters can work to 0.100mm tolerance, something that would be very hard to duplicate with hand held routers etc.Inspiration exists, but it has to find you working. — Pablo Picasso
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26th February 2012, 09:01 PM #3Old Fart (my step daughters named me)
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I do not have one. Are they really worth having. I understand you have to be very light on the touch with them?
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26th February 2012, 09:08 PM #4
I brought one a few weeks ago and have used it once. Tailstock support is necessary until the very last moment. Easy to use with the provided buttons, I might experiment with some teknatool buttons sometime.
Pat
Work is a necessary evil to be avoided. Mark Twain
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26th February 2012, 09:33 PM #5
Hey you been shopping at Jim's pat??
I do rembember you saying at the wood show you wanted one
Hey I'm happy to give it a homeDANGER!!!!I'm Dyslexic Spelling may offend!!!!!
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26th February 2012, 10:05 PM #6
I built two when they first appeared. Wouldn't be without mine now. It is true they will not stand up to aggressive cuts and can eject a project.
JimSometimes in the daily challenges that life gives us, we miss what is really important...
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26th February 2012, 11:08 PM #7
Couldn't go without mine either I have lost a couple of pieces but it was my own fault - trying to cut way too heavily - easily avoided!
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27th February 2012, 07:33 AM #8Hewer of wood
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Yeah, they're just for finishing a foot.
With the same grippers I can't see that it'd be significantly poorer in grip than my VM cole jaws.Cheers, Ern
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27th February 2012, 10:39 PM #9
Even if you're not intending to make a funnel (), you can be slightly more aggressive, and insure against orbiting, by placing four strips of tape across the sides near the bottom, with both ends wrapped around to the back of the back disk. Filament tape (aka strapping tape) works best, but masking tape can also be suitable. The entire bottom is thus available for treatment.
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Fiction has to make sense. - Mark Twain
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28th February 2012, 02:31 PM #10GOLD MEMBER
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I had the same problems, so to minimise the risk I made an auxilary support arm with a brand new rollerblade wheel that presses against the bowl or platter to keep it hard against the chuck. Mine can be positioned anywhere and the soft wheel does not mark the finish. Since I did this I can finish my work to a very high standard. If I was any good with a camera I would post a photo. If anyone really wants one let me know,
regards,
Crocy
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28th February 2012, 03:35 PM #11Hewer of wood
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It shouldn't be this way if the grippers are adequate.
Apart from the shape diff. I mentioned above, the VM grippers also have a metal sleeve so the rubber can only compress so far, and release so far.
I've never had a piece go west on cole jaws with these.
Vermec won't say whether their Nova replacement grippers are the same as VM's. Only that they have a 6mm bore.
http://vermec.tripod.com/PDFs/teknatoolchuck.pdf
Betcha they're the same.Cheers, Ern
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28th February 2012, 03:51 PM #12
Ern,
A few years ago I got a set of red VM stoppers from Enzo for my Nova jaws and they fit perfectly. The little Nova black ones used to leave black marks on my bowls etc.
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28th February 2012, 05:32 PM #13Hewer of wood
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Thanks WbT.
Cheers, Ern
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28th February 2012, 06:08 PM #14Old Fart (my step daughters named me)
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Old Croc.
Your idea sounds good. Can you post a pic please.
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28th February 2012, 06:48 PM #15SENIOR MEMBER
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square stoppers
Hi Ern
I find that the stoppers tended to roll as the chuck is adjusted,not a problem with round ones,but I had a set of the square red ones from ?(not sure where I purchased them-it was a while ago) for the old cole jaws.When you adjust the chuck and they roll it became a PITA to adjust them so they were all facing the same way.
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gidgee 1
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