Mounting Systems!

**BANNED** · 21st August 2007, 04:47 PM

Hi everyone,
The subject of safe/unsafe, effective/ ineffective mounting systems and techniques, has been approach in previous threads, but all very fragmented and near impossible to refer to with some sort of accuracy, as information was then mainly given in response to other related subjects.

The intention is to get everyone talking and discussing this topic in one place. It will also be of great benefit, to all new turners and those not so experience ones, to obtain information, advice and tips, on one of the most difficult and complexed step on the topic of correct and safe wood lathe mounting techniques and specialised tools.

I believe, this is when you pro's can provide your most valued contribution, by supplying the examples (plenty of clear pics) and the corresponding explanation for the correct mounting procedures and tools of the most common items built in a wood lathe (bowls, vases, plates, vessels, etc., etc.).

On the other hand, we all (less experienced) could also use this thread to present your examples of how we do it, and request any information on possible refinement or technique change, without been concern in having their heads chopped off, by some less tolerant and degrading fellow forum members.

So, lets all pull together in one direction, and help others with this very important subject to everyone. C'mon pro's, lets see what you are made off? (IN THE POSITIVE WAY, OFF-COURSE).

Cheers
GV

**rsser** · 21st August 2007, 06:51 PM

I did a post a while ago of a chucking guide. Won't answer all your needs but will do some.

Have you done a search?
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**BANNED** · 21st August 2007, 11:40 PM

As explained on my thread, searches do not work well for me, nor they do for most people coming into the forum, as the issue is very much fragmented as per so many other subjects. Some searches cause extreme time wasted and frustration among normal people, therefore a deterrent for many to participate. Is a fact of life that, most questions are going to be asked from time to time, as new people become interested with wood turning as the time goes by. I find most unreasonable that people are told to go and search the subject, because it was discussed 6 months/12 months/2 years ago, etc.,and send them to dark, cold and silent forum's underground archives for hours on end, instead of encouraging people to participate live. Also is important to refresh people minds on the basics, allowing thoughts, comments and statements to be corrected, update and validated from time to time. Is totally ridiculous and futile, to be and old forum's member, be on line in an open forum, and not understand this fact.
Is my intention to make it easier for new people to feel welcome, to participate, ask plenty of questions, and if/when necessary, be provided with links to the proper topic thread search, instead of 100 different threads. For this to happen, concentrating the most information possible in one titled thread, everyone can do they "bit". If a member has new, valid and relevant information to this thread, this is your opportunity to contribute, on the other hand if you have already worked on the subject and provided information/data, anytime before, irregardless of how long, you could do us all a favour and go where that information is (you better than anyway will know), and simply, if you don't feel the need for editing, cut and past that information into this thread. By doing that, it would safe lots of time to everyone, keep the information together and also allow us to ready/see what you done with the subject, then!.
Some time from now, I would like to believe, that finding information will be a lot easier and effective, not to forget that people will continue to ask the same questions, exactly the same questions, you did ask, when you first started.

Cheers
GV

**joe greiner** · 22nd August 2007, 12:07 AM

Alas, searches can be quite frustrating, because of difficulty selecting the proper keywords. One of my first searches on the weird wild web was to find a gummint calculator (known to exist) for evaluating the current value of US savings bonds. Innocently enough, I entered something like "bond" for Google to find. The first bloody hit was for some sort of lesbian S&M bondage topic.

That said, here's a link for my longworth chucks for finishing the bottoms of bowls:

http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com...ad.php?t=51456

This thread has links to other threads regarding all three chucks that I built, as well as the Router Compass I made to build them.

A couple later lessons learned:
Tighten the bolts diametrically, like tightening lug nuts on a car wheel, instead of working around the circle; this helps to maintain concentric conditions as the buttons get compressed.
Also, wrap some duct tape or filament tape across the bowl to the back of the back disk as insurance against launching a satellite into orbit. BTDT.

Joe

**Ashore** · 22nd August 2007, 01:57 AM

Originally Posted by nyodine

Is my intention to make it easier for new people to feel welcome, to participate, ask plenty of questions, and if/when necessary, be provided with links to the proper topic thread search, instead of 100 different threads.GV

When you go to search click on advanced search and from there you can choose the area you wish to search ie. wood turning etc as well as keywords

You may find that when some questions are asked on the forum someone who has gone to great lengths to answer that same question only a week or two ago becomes reluctant to do so again and may suggests a search, you say you have a problem with search engines and don't like to be sent to the forums cold and silent underground archives. Then I would suggest it is you who should improve their skills rather than have forum members search for you to provide the link to a proper topic thread search. Mate the web is here and if you want to get the most from it then improve your own skills , perhaps the question you should be asking is what is the best way for me to search for...whatever, forum members do not , to my knowledge, keep a list of threads giving an answer to any question previously posed, they usually have to do a search find the relivant thread and pass this info on, same as you can

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**BANNED** · 22nd August 2007, 04:15 AM

Thanks Ashore,
I wish that searching for the right information in the forum archives, was as easy as you say, you obviously don't use it. If I only could have a "buck" for everyone that complained about not been able to find information...!

Indeed, and after another attempt (another 40 minutes of it) to find information on "mounting systems", the search result is O and continued 0 by trying the words in different combinations. Should I have tried the search under "Paris Hilton's Mounting Systems"?. My time wasn't all wasted tough, as I did find some interesting comments made by existent members on the issue I raised on my thread, (information all over the place, basically). Less than a year ago, 19 December 2006 to be precise, well before I became a member obviously, some of the older guys did openly recognise that a new system to keep and access the important information and how to deal with repetitive questions, was needed urgently. Maybe for some, the word WIKI means something. I wasn't aware of this, nor to what has been said about my issue, around the same time in December 2006.

Some of the interesting comments are as follow; QUOTE "like these forums, Wiki's are a democracy: everyone has the right to express an opinion. I've never found the forum sponsor to interfere with this on these forums and that adds to their credibility as a supplier as far as I'm concerned.
Ditto Slow: the Wiki will be as good as its users."
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"but the repeditive Questions could just get there own folder ,read only ,but some one would have to reright the titels , when "what lathe do i bye " turnes into 3 pages of the best ginding weels to use"
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"I could definatley see the benefit of a collection of the more helpfull or ingenious threads from the turners. and the way that page is set out its up the title of the origional thread doens't have to play a part at all.
dont get me wrong .. I like the wiki idea, I just reckon to keep everything in the one place ie: right here under the woodturning header is going to have a much better chance of activity (and survival) than a seperate web page.
I'm with you all the way on getting the knowledge all in one easy to browse spot.. sometimes a search just wont cut it because you have no idea what it is you want to know"

I think is enough to get the picture, my question really is, so just only a few months, I did realise that something is not right, but the same was been discussed by many, at least less than a year ago, what happen?, why are we still doing the same mistake?

Cheers
GV

**rsser** · 22nd August 2007, 08:38 AM

So you didn't search on Advanced Search for posts by rsser with the keyword 'chucking' ??

I took the trouble to reply to your request and give you two key bits of info and you couldn't be bothered using them?

Ashore is right; I won't bother again.

**Sebastiaan56** · 22nd August 2007, 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by nyodine

Thanks Ashore,
I wish that searching for the right information in the forum archives, was as easy as you say, you obviously don't use it. If I only could have a "buck" for everyone that complained about not been able to find information...!

**RETIRED** · 22nd August 2007, 08:48 AM

We are digressing people.

GV, the search engine for the forums is pretty much the same as most search engines used on the net including Google and Copernic BUT you have to put the right information in to get the results.

Back on topic.

What you have asked is about mounting stuff on the lathe. There really is that many different methods that it is hard to rattle them off unless someone has a specific enquiry. Also the chucking or driving method is sometimes dictated by what you are doing.

There are cup chucks, screw chucks, face plates, sacrificial glue blocks, 4 jaw chucks and all their accessories, engineers chucks, hot melt glue, double sided tape, mandrels, cones, live and dead centres, jam chucks, jacobs chucks, spur drives in all shapes and sizes, longworth and probably a lot I have missed putting down but have used over the years.

On some jobs you could use up to 3 or more holding methods to obtain the result.

EDIT: Some of you type too damn fast.

**Doc Ron** · 23rd August 2007, 01:54 AM

Interesting topic! Database searching and setup are tough, especially with such rich and varied sources as we have here. So much expertise is available, and it is hard to tap into exactly what you need. Some of the forums use a library system to compile and keep articles of interest and information for people to use. Might that be a possibility here? I realize that this overall site is huge, ( I use just the general turning and pen turning areas), but some members might be willing to undertake this? In that regard, the post above by Sebastiaan56 is a good start.

**hughie** · 23rd August 2007, 08:00 AM

I agree with , It can be a case of ''wyswig''. It can at times appear to be a black art. But the broader the question, the broader the answer is the rule.Yeah I know its frustrating, but practice will greatly improve the outcomes. Some times I PM likely authors of previous brillant ideas and to date all have been extremely helpful. Thanks guys! ___________________________________________________Library, this has been put forward a few times in this forum and others. But the rub is who will look after it? and what manner would it take?etc. As you say its alot of work _________________________________________________________We can all agree there are some great ideas out being brought forward to the forum. I tend to save em on my own HHD drive for future reference._______________________________________________________sori for the lines my puta has decided that paragraghs are not necessary

**Calm** · 23rd August 2007, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by hughie

Library, this has been put forward a few times in this forum and others. But the rub is who will look after it? and what manner would it take?etc. As you say its alot of work

Click on the favorites button at the top of the page
Click on organise favorites
Click on create folder - name it what you like - Woodwork
Now right click on this post.
click on save to favorites - name it what you like.

Then anytime you want to find a subject open explorer, click on favorites, woodworking and then the tread that you want to use.

Alla your very own library

Not so hard but i admit i dont do this myself i go through the search effort everytime too

**Solutions Aust** · 23rd August 2007, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by

We are digressing people.

GV, the search engine for the forums is pretty much the same as most search engines used on the net including Google and Copernic BUT you have to put the right information in to get the results.

Back on topic.

What you have asked is about mounting stuff on the lathe. There really is that many different methods that it is hard to rattle them off unless someone has a specific enquiry. Also the chucking or driving method is sometimes dictated by what you are doing.

There are cup chucks, screw chucks, face plates, sacrificial glue blocks, 4 jaw chucks and all their accessories, engineers chucks, hot melt glue, double sided tape, mandrels, cones, live and dead centres, jam chucks, jacobs chucks, spur drives in all shapes and sizes, longworth and probably a lot I have missed putting down but have used over the years.

On some jobs you could use up to 3 or more holding methods to obtain the result.

EDIT: Some of you type too damn fast.

,
you are right on the money. Its called woodturning guys.
Yes you need to learn how to woodturn.
Take a lesson from a local who offers that service.
Search the web.
Spend some money and by books on the subject.
Join a local woodturning club. It won't cost the earth and the answers are free.
Pay money and watch the pros at the Working With Wood Shows.

Woodfast Aust

Practice and think.

**BANNED** · 30th August 2007, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by Woodfast Aust

,
you are right on the money. Its called woodturning guys.
Yes you need to learn how to woodturn.
Take a lesson from a local who offers that service.
Search the web.
Spend some money and by books on the subject.
Join a local woodturning club. It won't cost the earth and the answers are free.
Pay money and watch the pros at the Working With Wood Shows.

Woodfast Aust

Practice and think.

Hi guys,

I've been quite about this one, not forgotten.
The reason why I open this thread, is very much alive, irregardless of some large stones thrown into it. So lets hope that people keep things together, and not all over the joint.

I can not let go pass the attitude and sarcasm of the previous thread, lets see why;
-Obviously, he doesn't thing much of "wood turning guys".
-He is making his degrading assumptions publicly, with out solid evidence.
-He was pure and simply, "rude".

Now, Woodfast Aust, I believe makes his money and business, by having a quite new Company dedicated in the sale of wood turning tools and accessories, with a recent web site promoted. Being a member of this forum to advertise his business, I don't have a problem with, BUT if this is his concept of advertising and bring new customers (Rockies or not) to his business, sorry but you have just lost a potential customer for ever! as I hope, others will let you know what they thing about your very silly attitude.

I believe, reasonable to expect that members (people) here, are treated with respect, irregardless of their level of knowledge or how much money they got, right?

Cheers
GV

**Ashore** · 30th August 2007, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by nyodine

Thanks Ashore,
I wish that searching for the right information in the forum archives, was as easy as you say, you obviously don't use it.

Originally Posted by nyodine;

-He is making his degrading assumptions publicly, with out solid evidence.
-He was pure and simply, "rude".

Pot and kettel me thinks I do in fact use the forum archives and using the advanced search (as suggested more than once already in this thread) I don't have a problem.

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