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  1. 6th August 2007, 07:22 PM #31
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    GV, i dunno if yr disspaointment is real at all, i doubt it but the tree is obviously an acacia as noted way early in the thread and by yr leave and flower picks its obviously a wattle.

    beyond that as to exactly which wattle, well its hard to tell from pics of timber, i often end up putting 2 samples side by side, one a known and confirmed sample and just have a really good look at the grain, sometimes a small magnifying glass helps.

    It should be fairly easy to identify from the flowers and lots of wattles, silver wattle, black wattle, sally wattle etc have very similiar flowers.

    I cannot be held responsible for the indecisivness of my comrades ( just jokin boys ;-) but i can happily confirm that as far as trying to ID wood from web pics, the acacia/wattle is 100% sure, just gotta sus out which wattle mate ;-) i notice DJStimber for all his wisdom and undoubted knowledge of wood, wa shappy to offer what it wast but didnt offer what he thought it might be.

    Beyond that either check with the botanical gardens at TiTT suggested or send a sample to Jugo Illic to ID under his microscope which is the only surefire way of professionaly IDing wood.But as the wattles are so common and the grain so similar to generic black wattle I think this one is a bit of a no brainer, its just a variant. I have observed some confusion creeping into these proceedings when it starts out trying to ID wood but then deviates into IDing leaves, bark and flowwers etc, which are all good ways to ID trees but it just gives you more possibilities to choose from.

    What Ern said is also true, you get variants and some of those pics have rough bark trunks with smooth bark limbs shooting out of them, good be an indicator of some kind. Still its a good tree and nice turning wood so if i were you i would just call it a wattle until u can confirm exactly which one, which in my opinion would one of the subspecies listed form the woodcentre link below.

    Its not always easy to ID a specific sample once u have got genus and family sussed, i have an acacia sample i still haveent Ided exactly but i think you should be happy iwth the acacia/wattle ID and then try and find out locally exactly which wattle it is..
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    G'Day GV

    Can you tell me is the wattle (cause that's what it is) in flower now? In other words is it a winter flowering one/ And what sort of soil is it growing in stony, granite etc. The only thing that throws me is that seed pod, do you know if it is a flat pod curled up?
    Feel its a boomerang wattle but that pod sort of negates this!

    Anyway I'll keep at it but need to know about that pod

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    Quote Originally Posted by rsser View Post
    This is prob not a helpful addition to your conundrum, but many 'gums' readily hybridize in the wild, making id difficult .....................Maybe acacias also have tarty bees around ;-}
    As do the acacias Ern - there is an area near Charters Towers where Gidgee and Lancewood have apparently been doin' the wild thing!

    Quote Originally Posted by reeves View Post
    ........... i often end up putting 2 samples side by side, one a known and confirmed sample and just have a really good look at the grain, sometimes a small magnifying glass helps............
    Tried this recently with Myall and one I can't pick. Timber colour, grain , sapwood, bark and even the way the trees oozed resin when cut are all identical - yet the flowers and leaves are entirely different. Sample going to herbarium in next batch.
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    ................ I've only been in Australia for 20 years........
    I've been driving past stands of Lancewood almost daily for over 13 years and only just last week discovered that they're not all Lancewood! Lancewood, Yarran and Bendee all look the same at 100kph. I once sent a series of excellent photos to the herbarium thinking they would be able to identify a tree for me from the pics - no way - needed a sample to be sure. My point is, so many of our tree species are so similar that you just have to call in the REAL experts some times. Working with wood doesn't necessarily make us all botanists
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skew ChiDAMN!! View Post
    Does it really matter? If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
    Dead right Skew - for turning out wooden items at least. I follow them up to the nth degree for my website 'cos I simply don't want to give anyone a bum steer. Wikipedia does enough of that without me doing the same!!!
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    Point taken.

    I've used your site for reference a few times and I'd probably be one of the first to start jumping up'n'down in frustration if I thought you got it wrong...
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    Default MC Wattle, will do...!!!

    Hi everyone,

    Of course, I'm not disappointed guys, I know very well, how difficult can be identifying timber species, I've been there, done that. I was (still am), intrigued that no one locally or else, could name the tree species, I've been in the area/and or State only since last year, so I have to ask.

    I don't really care, not knowing all the timber species names, indeed this became more a necessity, since I start turning, for reasons everyone is familiar with. This said, is always room for learning knew things, and it became obvious to bring the question to this forum, just as a point of interest.

    Could someone identify this timber species, without going thought sending samples away to Botanists? and provide a name for this timber I've found?. When I realise that no one seam to recognise it, it became more a necessity of mine to share with everyone the maximum detail I could provide of such unknown timber. To me, was more a case of trying to learn something by sharing. I'm pleased that I manage to share the info, the pics, etc. As far as I see it, all of this is my contribution to the knowledge expansion of the forum members. I will do it all again!

    Some questions have an easy answer, some don't, either way it's all good.
    Anyway, I'm OK with the wattle option, it will do me...! or maybe for some, the MC Wattle (M. Compass Wattle) will suity better. I will also make sure that all of it will be put into good use, as I don't know if I ever go the see it again in the future.

    So, thanks guys, your help/opinions were appreciated. Thank you all.

    I've got only one more peace of information for BernieP, and that has to do with his question "The only thing that throws me is that seed pod, do you know if it is a flat pod curled up?"
    Sorry BernieP, but those pods were formed round/conical, sort of. I had a good look under some magnifying lens, and they are not the curled ones. One thing I notice in every pod, was 2 small holes edged out like the dragon eyes. I'm sorry if the pics are not that detailed, but everything closer did fail, with the light condition available to me just an hour ago or so.

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    Nyodine,
    Agree with everyone it is wattle. The problem there is that you have chosen Australia's largest genus at around 1200 species.
    I don't think the "pods" are seeds but rather galls. Look on the ground for last years seed pods.
    After that, the best way of identifying it yourself is to be found here:

    http://www.worldwidewattle.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Elliott View Post

    http://www.worldwidewattle.com/

    John Elliott.
    hey excellent link thanks for that..
    the overal list of acacias in SA is here

    http://www.worldwidewattle.com/infog...on=S.A.&sect=y

    if you take the species link, then hit the wattle link it gives you a full readout with pics of pods, leaves etc..

    so it should be possible to exactly ID yr tree from that list GV, just gotta look through em all mate...

    check this one out



    yrs will definatly be there somewhere

    probably safe to eliminate this one..


    or this one



    not this one



    maybe this one..i always though it looked like a kahea wattle?




    jeez theres a lot of em..


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    Australian species list: South Australia

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    Number of taxa: 160
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    G'Day Reeves

    Here's a pic of Hakeoides

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Elliott View Post
    Nyodine,
    Agree with everyone it is wattle. The problem there is that you have chosen Australia's largest genus at around 1200 species.
    I don't think the "pods" are seeds but rather galls. Look on the ground for last years seed pods.
    After that, the best way of identifying it yourself is to be found here:

    http://www.worldwidewattle.com/

    John Elliott.
    That's a terrific resource ... thanks.

    Anything like it for Euc's?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rsser View Post

    Anything like it for Euc's?
    Ern, try this link to the plantnet site

    http://plantnet.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/cg...gen=Eucalyptus

    its NSW only and has some species missing data but it seems pretty informative on euc's
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