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18th August 2020, 01:17 AM #16
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18th August 2020, 03:46 AM #17GOLD MEMBER
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As for the "specialist turners/wood workers", posting things on youtube, unfortunately there is no control over content, and as such, any muppet with a lathe can throw something up, hoping to get more views and make a buck the easy way as they wouldn't be able to sell their stuff to make money. They should count themselves lucky that no one injures themselves (by seeing what they are doing wrong) then sues either Youtube or the poster for following their crazy actions.
I might have turned a few things but i still consider myself a novice, and often refer to a book on wood turning i bought (Phil Irons -two books in one), but i also use youtube to see something in action, and the more i view, the more i come to realize who are the kosher turners and who's a dangerous muppet. I can't say i have seen the particular video you are talking about, but early on it was a bit confusing wondering if this guy is doing it right or did it just turn out right through sheer luck.
I also love those wonderful workers plying their trade in thongs, they are gold.
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19th August 2020, 01:11 AM #18
Speaking of working in thongs. Over the last month or so I've derived great pleasure from watching some of the Japanese and Chinese Masters woodworkers painstaking doing their work. Sitting on the floor, holding work down with a foot (often bare footed or wearing traditional Japanese Tabi footwear) or a hand whilst making exacting cuts for joints with razor sharp tools. There is almost a serine beauty in what they do.
I have been fascinated by some of the exacting repetition turning done on crude lathes (by our standards) with tools often make for them selves to use for a specific job. Again, all whilst sitting on the floor and with amazing precision.
if you haven't seen any of these I highly recommend them for a bit of a look. You won't be disappointed.
Takes me back to when I started turning with a way less crude lathes but still a far cry from the lathes of today.
Cheers - Neil
PS Still have a small treadle lathe from the 1930 and the head and tail stock from the lathe that was supposed to have turned the plinth for the (English made) first Melbourne Cup back in i867. I believe that lath was brought out from England 2nd hand around 1860. There was supposed to be paperwork on its history when I purchased it from a deceased estate back in early 1970 but it couldn't be found.
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20th August 2020, 06:11 PM #19
Ken Wraight, a member of our Northern Woodturning Club, was holding a group session in which I was participating. At one stage he heard a decent
catch on my lathe. Politely he walked over and said, "Do you know what you did wrong Al". I answered, "Yes Ken". "Ok", he said, "Don't do it again".
At that stage I was paranoid that I might get another catch and that I had not learned a thing.
To this day I am haunted by the fact that it would have been better to admit my error and learn something from a master turner.
I thank Ken for his contribution to the club and feel sure the overall standard of woodturning has improved because of his expertise.Life is short ... smile while you still have teeth.
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21st August 2020, 06:36 PM #20Novice
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Maybe we don't get quality turners on youtube because from what I have heard they are not welcome on the demonstrators circuit especially in the US.
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5th September 2020, 07:06 PM #21China
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Today I went to local farmers market, there happened to be a young fellow turning simple items for sale naturally I stood around for a bit, he was turning things like honey dippers, for which he had a multi blade cutter made up to cut the flutes, and then moved on to small bowels still using a spindle gouge.
When there was no one watching I spoke to him and explained that it is inherently dangerous, and that one day he may have a nasty mishap. (this bloke was not old enough to have been woodturning as long as I have)
Well apparently that is old school technology and these days we know that is does not make any real difference as to the chisel used and if I had the amount of experience that he has I would know this. So I guess I must be out of touch.
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5th September 2020, 07:30 PM #22
Could you please expand on this? As a beginner turner I'd like to understand what makes this inherently dangerous. Given a small bowl and for example, a half inch spindle gouge, is it the lack of tool strength that is the issue?
I understand that a spindle roughing gauge is a no-no, but don't think that is what you are referring to here.
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8th September 2020, 11:44 AM #23Novice
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Spinde Gouge on Bowls
I can't see the problem with using a spindle gouge on a bowl, particularly the outside. I use them all the time and it ain't dangerous IMHO. Apologies to Admin for getting off topic.
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8th September 2020, 12:07 PM #24
Hmm, that's a pretty broad statement. Not sure that the AAW would agree as,
Stuart Batty, who is probably one of the best as far as an experienced and very technically competent turner / demonstrator, for example was listed as a 2020 Louisville Demonstrator.
Simon Begg from Australia, also listed for 2020, is a very promising emerging talent as a demonstrator and is posting very good demos on social media.
Ashley Harwood, a student of Stuart Batty, again very competent & active on social media, & Youtube.
Emma Cook, aka The Tiny Turner, very competent & active on social media, & Youtube.
Glen Lucas .....Mobyturns
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8th September 2020, 02:27 PM #25
I built my lathe about 40 years ago. It started off "crude" but I have been able to build in some better refinements. OK I can turn wood.....but I don't regard myself as a "Wood Turner". Why? I think that my results are never as good/perfect as I would like (Neil alluded to this state of mind). I may not touch the lathe for months at a time but then may use it daily for a few weeks, in between other pressing jobs. A mate taught me the basics of stick welding 45 years ago(gee I'm getting old) He would give a very harsh critique of my welds. You know even to this day I still go over my welds in detail and I am still hard on myself.
It probably comes down to what standard you allow your self to be at and whether or not you can "live" with the results. A lot of what I have turned has been given away so there isn't a whole lot on exhibition on shelves in the house. I do like the challenge of "taming" a piece of timber and making a variety of stuff further extending my skills (and competing with myself). My wife gets annoyed when I produce something and I comment "its OK but"
I will get off my soap box and blend into the crowd
PS You Tube videos of someone cutting, drilling,grinding etc etc bore me to tears. Or there is some one who drones on and on and produces a mediocre job at the end. There should be a penalty for these people who waste time like thatJust do it!
Kind regards Rod
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11th September 2020, 10:04 PM #26Intermediate Member
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Any recommendations for private lessons in Melbourne Neil?
Obviously it would have to wait until lockdown ends, but as a cabinet maker I bought a lathe a while ago and have taught myself so that I'm proficient enough to turn things I need for furniture and cabinetry like handles, feet etc.
I would really like to get better at bowl turning in particular and I have no doubt that a couple of lessons would advance my skills far beyond what they would just by watching YouTube videos.
Cheers,
Sam
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14th September 2020, 04:49 PM #27
What's the consensus on Rob Cosman's recent videos on learning to use the skew chisel and spindle gauge? Good advise for a novice turner to attempt to emulate? Cheers, Zac
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14th September 2020, 05:55 PM #28Novice
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Average. He takes way too long to actually spin a piece of wood (it's approx 12 min in before there is any action) and only seems to know the basics of the skew. There is a lot he didn't show, in particular the scenariaos to avoid. A lot can go wrong when using the skew and he didn't show any of this. And finishing the sharpening process with a diamond pad is a waste of time. But there was some good stuff.
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14th September 2020, 06:17 PM #29Member
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Does anyone have further recommendations for online learning resources that ARE good?
I noted "Glen Lucas, Stuart Batty, the late Alan Batty" mentioned near the beginning of this threat. I searched those ones up and saw a lot of long form videos that appear fantastic.
Are there other threads with this information? I'd love to learn more.
Thanks in advance!
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15th September 2020, 10:43 AM #30Intermediate Member
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