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Thread: Timber for Bearings
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21st November 2012, 10:37 PM #1Senior Member
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Timber for Bearings
I have been a member for some time, but exclusively posted in the Metalwork forum.
I need some advice on timber to use as a bearing for a machining application.
The standard English texts on machining refer to Lignum Vitae as the timber to use for such applications.
Can any of the woodworkers provide a source for Lignum Vitae sized about 50 x 50 x 50, or an equivalent ?
Preferably near Penrith, west of Sydney.
Thanks in advance for any suggestions,
John.
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21st November 2012, 10:55 PM #2Retired
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Trend timbers may have some. Trend Timbers A little far away I know but......
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22nd November 2012, 02:49 AM #3
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22nd November 2012, 06:41 AM #4
Even here in the UK we look out for Bowls for the wood. However another source can be boat restoration yards. Lignum was used as a water-seal bearing for the propshaft of old boats.
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22nd November 2012, 08:53 AM #5
might be of some help
You will find that most of the suppliers are overseas. These days its not used much in this country for bearings, plus its not so common as it used to be.
Heres a post from a previous discussion, about an Australian equivalent
https://www.woodworkforums.com/f8/lignum-vitae-187/
Vitex lignum-vitae - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Lignum-Vitae-Bearings
Genuine Lignum Vitae (guiacum officinale from Griffin Exotic Wood
Exotic Hard Woods | Specialist Timber - Lignum Vitae - Palo Santo wood
Lignum Vitae Timber Suppliers - UK Hardwood Timber Merchants
Lignum Vitae : Ockenden Timber, Specialist Woodturning & Carving SuppliersInspiration exists, but it has to find you working. — Pablo Picasso
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22nd November 2012, 10:30 AM #6Senior Member
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Thanks guys for all the help.
Once I have sorted out my application, I will post the results here.
The alternative to timber is some sort of plastic, but I am keen to try the traditional approach.
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Trend Timbers is about 30 minutes away, I will definitely check them out, they may have a 'good enough' equivalent.
John.
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22nd November 2012, 11:59 AM #7GOLD MEMBER
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In the US oil soaked maple is used.
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Woodex Wood Bearings for Snowblower AugersSo much timber, so little time.
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22nd November 2012, 12:55 PM #8
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22nd November 2012, 02:53 PM #9
Lignum Vitae is one of the legendary species of timbers. It's properties are indisputable for hardness and it's self oiling capability the two of which have led to it's use as a bearing material particularly in marine applications.
I noticed from hughie's very informative post of references that it is quoted as being the densest of timbers. That is not quite true. The author of that comment probably doesn't know that the island of Australia was discovered a few years back and has a number of more dense timbers .
Gidgee, for example, has an ADD of 1330Kg/m3 compared to Lignum Vitae at 1200Kg/m3. Cooktown Ironwood is another heavier species, although only just.
I did find a reference to Crows Ash and Forest Red Gum being alternative timbers for bearing use, but it did say for use in lightly stressed situation and no mention of marine application. Clearly Lignum Vitae is a stand out material for bearings.
John
I have never used LV but I did notice in my research that it splits easily tangentially but is resistant radially. I suspect with modern turning tool steels it will turn beautifully. I will be interested to hear what happens.
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22nd November 2012, 08:43 PM #10Senior Member
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When we bought the place that we are on I inherited a number of machines with low speed shafts running in jarrah bearings. The shafts had a fair bit of weight on them (almond screens). Some of them must have been there for 30+ years. Worked well and easy to get.
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22nd November 2012, 08:54 PM #11
Trend Timbers usually have some LV, but I've only see very small pieces there recently - no bigger sections. Its on one of the tables with all the other timber #### like ebony.
Just wait until you see what it costs......
I was thinking of buying some thinner pieces for the sole of a timber plane a while ago, but when I saw the price I retreaded rapidly with my wallet between my legs (so to speak)
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22nd November 2012, 09:04 PM #12
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23rd November 2012, 09:07 PM #13
I have often wondered about the suitability of Leopard Tree - Caesalpinia ferrea for bearing stock. It seems to have the sought after characteristics.
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23rd November 2012, 09:50 PM #14
I built a wooden chuck for turning elliptical shapes. For the bearing surfaces I used cooktown ironwood that had liberal coatings of lanolin grease. It worked well but did wear a bit, but then it was exposed to shock loads not regular consistent loads. The first attempt was with spotted gum bearing surfaces, also coated with lanolin grease. they didn't wear as well as the cooktown ironwood.
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24th November 2012, 04:36 PM #15SENIOR MEMBER
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50x50x50? Millimetres or centimetres? If mm, look for an old Comet windmill. They had wooden bearings in the head. At least ours did 40 years ago! Probably best if it is on the ground though.
Instead of the old "Hope this is of use to you", I am confident this did not add much to the discussion at all.
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