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    Default Cupboard door hinge gap

    Hi all, I am in need of some help.
    I have been building a shaker style bathroom vanity and it was decided I should use European style hinges. I donít have any experience building cupboards or wth these hinges.

    I worked out I need inset hinges as the door sits about 3mm behind the front edge of the cupboard.

    The challenge I have is a 4-5mm gap on the hinge side of the door that I cannot seem to adjust away. I have the gap as small as possible to stop the inside corner catching when opening the door, so knowing how to adjust the hinge is not my issue (at least I donít think it is). I am wondering if I have the wrong style or type of hinge.

    I have tried two brands of hinge Blum and Hafele but both were the same style. The Blum hinge is a 107 degree inset hinge.
    I cannot find a lot of data on the expected dimensions but I guess this is due to the high variance of cupboard sizes.
    I did try to move the cup hole deeper and closer/ further from the edge with a scrap piece of wood but I had to adjust any change in cup position using the hinge adjustments back to the gap I am seeing.

    Is there a better option ?


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    Is it possible to post some images? Will need gap and the hinge inside the cupboard showing the adjusting screws.

    The cup hole, and the position of the holes on the carcass are almost universal.

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    With European style hinges there are some key measurements that need to be adhered to so you get all the adjustment needed to make them work for you.
    *Firstly, the distance between the edge of the 35mm hole for the cup should be 4mm to the door edge. This should give you nearly 5mm of movement
    *The distance from the edge of the carcase to the centre line of the Mounting Block needs to be 37mm and on centre for the 35mm cup hole. This gives you vertical adjustment of around 6mm
    *These hinges are usually 16mm "overlay". By this I mean that the hinge side of the door sits over the edge of the carcase. You can get other hinges that can give you less "overlay" depending on your application.

    With these measurements you should be able to get the hinges to work for you.
    If you are still troubled some pictures would make our diagnosis easier to advise you
    Just do it!

    Kind regards Rod

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    Default Cupboard door hinge gap

    Thanks for the replies
    Here are some photos, one image shows the closed door this shows the gap.
    the other image is with the door being opened part way this shows the tight clearance





    Here is a closeup of the installed Blum hinge, it it hard to pick the edge of the door on my iPad but I measure the cup edge to be 4.8mm to the side edge.
    I did drill the holes for Hafele hinges but have now tried the Blum.



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    Quote Originally Posted by forrestmount View Post
    Hi all, I am in need of some help.
    I have been building a shaker style bathroom vanity and it was decided I should use European style hinges. I don’t have any experience building cupboards or wth these hinges.

    I worked out I need inset hinges as the door sits about 3mm behind the front edge of the cupboard.

    The challenge I have is a 4-5mm gap on the hinge side of the door that I cannot seem to adjust away. I have the gap as small as possible to stop the inside corner catching when opening the door, so knowing how to adjust the hinge is not my issue (at least I don’t think it is). I am wondering if I have the wrong style or type of hinge.

    I have tried two brands of hinge Blum and Hafele but both were the same style. The Blum hinge is a 107 degree inset hinge.
    I cannot find a lot of data on the expected dimensions but I guess this is due to the high variance of cupboard sizes.
    pages 114 and 115 of this Blum catalog https://publications.blum.com/2016/catalogue/en/ seems to have the dimensions you need.

    If I'm reading the diagram correctly, with an insert door, and 107 degree Blum hinge it should be possible to adjust the door to frame gap down to 1 mm.
    regards from Canada

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    Quote Originally Posted by ian View Post
    pages 114 and 115 of this Blum catalog https://publications.blum.com/2016/catalogue/en/ seems to have the dimensions you need.

    If I'm reading the diagram correctly, with an insert door, and 107 degree Blum hinge it should be possible to adjust the door to frame gap down to 1 mm.
    Yes I can adjust the gap when the door is closed down to 1mm but then I cannot open the door.

    I believe I understand the position of the cup and bracket and have this correct. I am wondering if the fact the door is 22mm thick and sitting 2 mm behind the front of the cupboard is creating a geometric challenge this model of hinge cannot solve.
    Eg if I chamfered 2mm off the corners the gap would halve with the same hinge but the look has square corners



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    Perhaps when mounting the hinge, you have to add the insert depth to the door thickness (in your case 22 + 2 = 24 mm) to get the location of the fixings
    regards from Canada

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    Quote Originally Posted by forrestmount View Post
    Yes I can adjust the gap when the door is closed down to 1mm but then I cannot open the door.

    I believe I understand the position of the cup and bracket and have this correct. I am wondering if the fact the door is 22mm thick and sitting 2 mm behind the front of the cupboard is creating a geometric challenge this model of hinge cannot solve.
    Eg if I chamfered 2mm off the corners the gap would halve with the same hinge but the look has square corners
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    You have just answered your problem, the 2mm set back is not the problem, the 22mm thick door is the problem. All those hinges are designed for 16mm to 18mm thick doors maximum. By increasing the thickness the effective radius as the door pivots is increased which causes binding
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    Thanks that was my assumption but I was hopeful there was a model availability for thicker doors


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    Contact the manufacturer or your supplier
    The person who never made a mistake never made anything

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    Quote Originally Posted by forrestmount View Post
    Thanks that was my assumption but I was hopeful there was a model availability for thicker doors
    from a very quick web search
    Ref https://www.blum.com/fi/en/products/...tion/overview/

    The 110į [Blum] hinge allows you to implement thicker doors of up to 24 mm – depending on application. The new pivoting point prevents collision with the cabinet front edge when the door is open.
    regards from Canada

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    Quote Originally Posted by forrestmount View Post
    I believe I understand the position of the cup and bracket and have this correct. I am wondering if the fact the door is 22mm thick and sitting 2 mm behind the front of the cupboard is creating a geometric challenge this model of hinge cannot solve.
    Eg if I chamfered 2mm off the corners the gap would halve with the same hinge but the look has square corners
    Is there any reason you don't wish to use a chamfer? If it's purely for esthetics, you could always run a small cove down the inside edge of the door instead, where it wouldn't be seen unless the door was open.
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    Thanks for the feedback, I took the advice to contact the supplier. I went into Hafele and the guys were very helpful. I have new hinges, not soft close but able to deal with the thicker door size.





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