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26th May 2005, 06:41 PM #1Novice
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'Opening window' above internal doors (Edwardian house)
I don't know what you would call these windows, but they were operated by a rod system attached to the door architrave. I think the idea was to allow air circulation with the doors closed while the coke fire was burning in the open hearth.
My problem is sourcing replacements at a reasonable price. When the house was 'modernised' these windows were nailed shut, painted and the hardware removed. We have been quoted $100 each for original and $175 each for reproductions.
Does anyone have a cheaper source/supplier or will I simply have to wear the cost?
Cheers, MicroLast edited by ubeaut; 29th May 2005 at 11:59 AM. Reason: Don't put a disguised add for finance in your posts!!!!
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26th May 2005, 09:17 PM #2
I believe that these are called fanlight windows. I have only ever seen a catch with a cord attached. Is there something else you have in mind.
I found one at this URL: http://www.decorativehardwaredirect....dProduct=38387
but I'm sure that there are more around.
I would look overseas if you can't find what you want here. It isn't actually surprising that you can't find what you want given that we are such a small market.
I can't check at the moment but Hafele may also have these locally.
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26th May 2005, 10:04 PM #3Novice
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fanlight windows
Thanks for the name and the url, Mark.
Yes. the catch is exactly what we are looking for, but in this period house it was operated by an articulated rod apparently, rather than a cord, but maybe I should try the US. As you say we are only a small market and most of this stuff is probably in landfill sites.
Cheers, Micro
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26th May 2005, 10:36 PM #4
I know exactly what you mean. Yes as has been said they are fanlight windows (called that I believe because they were originally "fan" shaped)
Anyway, where I used to source this stuff from a few years ago was Chipendale Restorations in Balmain.
However I think they are no more, which is of course no use to you.
I guess all I can suggest is to try trawling through the demolition resellers.
I supose that $100 sounds like quite a lot but how many do you need to buy?
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26th May 2005, 10:50 PM #5
My golly goodness gracious me!!!
Some of you should know better than just to jump in and respond! If you'd shouted DO A SEARCH for fanlight, you would have come up with this thread!!
Window Stays (for fanlights)
Cheers,
P
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26th May 2005, 11:00 PM #6
Strictly speaking, it's only a fanlight if it's semi circular or has an arched top. Otherwise it's a transom window.
Mick the pedantic"If you need a machine today and don't buy it,
tomorrow you will have paid for it and not have it."
- Henry Ford 1938
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26th May 2005, 11:16 PM #7
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26th May 2005, 11:54 PM #8
Getting really pedantic here, the Macquarrie may be right, but it's being imprecise. Language and communication is fraught with difficulties and misunderstandings and to prevent this as much as possible we should strive for accuracy. Using one term to cover both types of windows is correct but ambiguous.
So there!
Mick"If you need a machine today and don't buy it,
tomorrow you will have paid for it and not have it."
- Henry Ford 1938
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27th May 2005, 08:28 AM #9Originally Posted by journeyman Mick
Ambiguity is the soul of the English language, part of it's deeply rooted tradition, and pricks the senses.
Of course if I told you I disagreed with you by calling you a p****k and telling you to get r****d it would have been edited by Shane to read "get r****d you p*****", but having pricked senses deeply rooted in tradition I suspect is alright, hopefully highlighting (as opposed to fanlighting) just one of the joys of the language! .
Just to "highlight" the accuracy of the term when used with rectangular openings:
I haven't gone looking into my really old texts yet, but my copy of Australian Methods of Building Construction (1945) by W. Watson Sharp has a very clear drawing and it sure isn't an arched window!
The "Fanlight" paragraph reads:Fanlights have almost completely disappeared from residential buildings, but in commercial work they are still widely used. Their function is to ensure cross ventilation when the door is closed and to assist in lighting corridors and passages. The fanlight is fitted between the head of the door frame and the transom and is made in the same manner as the window sash. It may be hung at the top or the bottom or pivotted.
BTW, if either of us was really pedantic, why don't either of us refer to a sliding window as a "Yorkshire Light" ?
Cheers,
P (Ducking!)
Not Shane but MOI!!!
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27th May 2005, 12:05 PM #10Originally Posted by bitingmidgeBob Willson
The term 'grammar nazi' was invented to make people, who don't know their grammar, feel OK about being uneducated.
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27th May 2005, 02:29 PM #11
The Flannel Flower Press put out a book called How to Restore The Old Aussie House by Ian Stapleton"Sometimes a sash called a fanlight is formed above the door. The piece seperating the doorway and fanlight opening is called the transom." Obviosly called fanlight because of the shape.
1800 to 1900 late victorian period the fanlight sash was introduced inside the house as a result of the use of gaslight.These were bottom hung (hinged ), centrally pivoted or fixed.
I have found the book invaluable in dating houses for restoring to original he gives a lot of detail on mouldings and construction techniques originally used.
locks used tiles etc with heaps of exploded drawings to scale actual profiles and pictures of restored stuff...but he gives no details on opening apparatus for fanlights sorry not much help just a little insight as to what they are.
The book is handy if your restoring and want to get it correct for the whole house.
The trouble with life is there's no background music.
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27th May 2005, 02:53 PM #12
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27th May 2005, 03:04 PM #13
Yes, well that happens because I am constantly confused. CHARGE The Yorkshire Light.
Sorry about; old war wound don'cha know.Bob Willson
The term 'grammar nazi' was invented to make people, who don't know their grammar, feel OK about being uneducated.
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27th May 2005, 10:11 PM #14
but ANYWAY!!!!!!!! Schots at 400 Hoddle Street Clifton Hill in Melbourne has Fanlight/transom mechanisms. Can't recall the price but their service is ****house) .... they will at least be able to tell you if they have them in stock and how much...... they do mail order all the time ..... understandable really, as going in to the place is no faster than getting your order mailed.
can you tell I am a fan? ..... a little "light" humour there
oboySteve
Kilmore (Melbourne-ish)
Australia
....catchy phrase here
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1st June 2005, 10:35 PM #15
Some dictionaries do define a fanlight window as, indeed, a fan shaped window above a door. However there is a broader definition as noted above. My information comes from an old joiner I've had here to do some work for me and I tagged along as apprentice.
My house has "fanlight" windows above the awning windows (sashes) which are above some fixed panes. The intervening bars are called transoms.
The fanlights in my windows are fixed panes. As opposed to the royal pains that the windows in general were to repair \