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19th October 2010, 06:05 PM #1The Russel Coyte of Woodworking
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box hinge instalation problems!
I built a beutiful box made from an unkown wood I purchased from a boat builder, and the top is Jarra. So I finish the splines, cut the lid off on the table saw, clean it all up with my new Veritas low angle block plane (it rocks!!), its all going to plan! Time to install the hinges (90 degree stop hinges)
I mark out where my hinges are going to go, double check the measurments use my Jap marking knife to scripe some lines, use my dremel/router set up to rout out most of the wood and then clean up the mortise with my jap mortice chiesel. It all looks great and I was very proud of myself, I used a self centering drill bit, don't go to deep and screw everything in place!
Time to close the lid..........DANG! There is a 1.5mm overhang on one side....the lid is on a poofteenth skew!!!?
Shall I:
A. take the problem hinge off, re0center the hinge, drill/widen hole and use a slightly longer screw...(doesn't sound right)
B: Sand the box flush?
C: ?????
I am soo off, its my best box yet and I don't want to result in this now.
Your advice would be most appreciated!
Milo
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19th October 2010, 08:18 PM #2
Hi Milo,sounds familiar, im on my 20th box and perfect fits still not gaurenteed, but have corrected most errors. as you mentioned skewed i guess the top is not square to the base and its not a case of not just 1.5mm consistent overhang. when positioning the hinges for setting with the top and base laid back to back , pack up under the top so they are on the same plane, i have a straightedge along the side of the top and base , it can be clamped and a pair of spacers to allow for perfect gap between the knuckles of the hinges, im talking about looking down on the box from above in its fully open idealposition , then use the awl or drill etc hope this helps , no doubt this advice will be improved upon, regards ,rossco
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20th October 2010, 01:17 AM #3SENIOR MEMBER
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Don't beat yourself up over hinge installation. Slow down. From what I read you're doing the right things. Those self centring drill bits are great, aren't they?
When this happens to me (too often) I remove the hinge and fill the hole with a piece of bamboo skewer. These are typically 1/8 inch diameter. Trim flush with the gain then re-drill the hole for the screw.
I've tried all sorts of methods to get lids fitting just right. I put two screws in each hinge - one in the lid and one in the base and test the fit. If not "just right", remove a screw, fill the hole and re-drill the hole for the screw to correct for the rotation of the lid on the base. If okay, add another two in each hinge and test fit. And so on until all screws are in place.
Another method I've used successfully was suggested in this forum. Screw the hinge to the base and lid before the gain is cut. This allows for the hinge to be fitted such that the lid sits nicely on the base without rotation. Just a couple of screws in each hinge (one in each leaf) at the start. Once the lid is fitting okay, add remaining screws. Score around the hinge with your knife, remove the hinge and cut the recess or gain for each leaf. Depending upon the wood and the thickness of the hinge leaf, the pilot holes may need to be deepened before the hinge is installed.
Hope this helps - some ideas for your current box and your next few.
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25th October 2010, 02:26 PM #4The Russel Coyte of Woodworking
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thanks for the advice chaps!
In the end the box was only out .5-1mm so I whipped out my new Veritas block plane with the handle attachment and boy oh boy does this thing rock. A few passes of the plane and some sanding and you can hardly notice the difference.
I gave it a coat of Danish oil last night and boy oh boy has she come up just awesome!
I will post a new post when I get done attaching the catch.
Cheers
Milo
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25th October 2010, 10:24 PM #5
Pleased to hear you resolved your little problem with the hinges. They can really frustrate you sometimes eh? I'm sure we would all love to see a pic of your box when completed. Look forward to that.
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Cheers John
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26th October 2010, 09:01 AM #6
I hate bloody hinges! I have the very same problem whenever i go to fit em. & if you buy cheap ass hinges from the local hardware store they are even harder!
Glad to hear you were able to solve your issue.
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