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  1. #1
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    Default which hinge for an overhanging lid

    as is my usual method I have gone off half cocked and made a box without planning properly.

    the box is made of white oak and the lid has a 12mm overhang all around to match the plinth at the base.

    whilst building the box I had in the back of my mind that I would just use a piano hinge for the lid but now I have got the box mostly finished I dont think that will work.

    the walls of the box are 12mm thick and the lid is about 15mm thick. obviously, with the overhang at the back of the lid, it will be restricted to 90deg opening capacity so I was thinking of removing a little material at the back edge of the lid to allow slightly more than 90deg opening capacity, but what kind of hinge will suit this overhang the best?

    any hints welcome.

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    Hi Jaguarrh,
    Try here http://www.veneerinlayaustralia.com....e.html&Rec=308 I think they also have a Piano hinge that open to 90 deg.

    Also try goods & chattles in brisbane not sure of there web sit but if you google I am sure you will find them

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    If an ordinary hinge is set so that the pin is centered about 1mm out from the wall of the box (instead of the pin of the hinge centered exactly in line with the back of the back wall as us usual practice) it would allow the overhanging lid to open up a bit past 90 degrees so that it would remain open comfortably open instead of being in danger of falling closed. The 1mm could be a bit more or less depending on how far you want the lid to open past the vertical. The overhanging back edge of the lid would come to rest against the back wall. You need to experiment with the amount of backset.

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    Ive found a pic of a box I made last year which had an lipped top and overhanging lid in case my explanation above was not clear

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    thanks for the tip fencepost,

    your box looks similar to mine.

    judging from your photo it looks as if the upper leaf of the hinge (to the lid) is not morticed in to the lid, but the mortices in the wall of the box allow the full combined thickness of the closed hinge, thus allowing the flat lid face to sit on the box without any gap. is this correct?

    i found some hinges in bunnings today (they call them "easy fit" or something) and the two leaves are in the same plane when closed. one leaf surrounds the other. the benefit of these is the barrel of the hinge is offset so it looks like a "P" if you know what i mean. I think these may be the way forward for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaguarrh View Post
    your box looks similar to mine.

    judging from your photo it looks as if the upper leaf of the hinge (to the lid) is not morticed in to the lid, but the mortices in the wall of the box allow the full combined thickness of the closed hinge, thus allowing the flat lid face to sit on the box without any gap. is this correct?

    Yes that is right. All the best with your box.

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    Default Box Hinges

    Hey Jag,

    I have successfully used barrel hinges on many boxes.
    See my web site www.stephenjay.com.au and look under boxes and the last box on the page. The barrel hinge comes in various diameters and can be postioned anywhere on the lid. Just make sure you have some means of limiting the travel of the lid beyond vertical.

    Steevo

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    Default Catches, clasps, locks & hasps for small boxes?

    G'day all,

    I'm totally new to box making, and there's probably a specialist page or forum for my question, though if so, I can't find it. In Melbourne Victoria, where does one go to find a good range of small brass, bronze or stainless steel catches, latches, clasps or hasps for box lid closure and fastening? Is there a specialist Crafts store someplace? I've found a supplier online, in a nearby State, but the lack of a secure login encryption facility on their Website inhibits my willingness to give over my Credit Card number and the 3 digit security code. The kind of catches, latches, clips, clasps, locks and hasps available at my nearby Hardware stores are always too large and bulky (made more for a Sea Chest or a Double Bass case). And, the well known national gigantic aircraft hangar Hardware Barn outlets are so inhospitable and scarce in knowledgeable helpful staff that I've taken to boycotting them. I always leave such places with something, but never what I really want or need.

    My present project is simply a wooden box or case to hold my tool sharpening Oilstone. It's not fancy, but I would like its lid fastening to look clever and natty, not to mention to hold the lid in place. Does anybody know of simple, but clever, home made fastening mechanisms? Hook and eye? Hand made wire hifield lever clasps?

    OK, any help or guidance would be gratefully received.

    John M

    Brighton Victoria 3186

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    Hi John, I have used this supplier and found them very good to deal with and their service is great as well. Veneer Inlay Australia Look for them online.
    Cheers
    David
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    Default Catches, latches, clasps & hasps Supplier

    David, Thanks for the info. I think this supplier is also known as boxmakers brassware. But, I'm really hoping to find a walk in shop someplace in melbourne where I can look at and hold a variety of catches or latches in my hand and make my evaluation of sutability in real time.
    Perhaps I'm unrealistically still living in the wrong century by adhering to a belief in using old fashioned cash from my pocket. However, I've recently had a very unpleasant online experience with my Credit Card details and 3 digit code getting into the wrong hands.

    I'm hoping that there is still a walk in shop someplace in Melbourne supplying boxmaker furniture.

    John M

    Brighton VIC 3186

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