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4th February 2024, 05:28 PM #1New Member
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Hinge screws for a thin box lid!?
I'd appreciate some help please with ways to fix brass butt hinges to the lid of a box with a thin lid. I'm making a second box (380 x 295 x 115 mm) to fit my extra chisels and it gives me some practice with joinery. The box has a thin lid (11 mm, box sides are 122 mm thick) and I am concerned that the brass screws in the thin lid will penetrate the top of the lid. (This happened with my first chisel box when I raised a panel in that lid thus diminishing the lid thickness where the hinges sit in the lid - I accepted it and just filed back the ends of the screws). This box has a flat lid with soft wood but it's 290 mm wide. So, I don't think shorter screws (that won't penetrate) are the answer as it may not provide enough support for the lid thru the hinge. (I have some 25 mm Butt hinges in the photo the included screws are 12 mm but I think I need longer hinges too)
What should I do? Use several hinges rather than just 2; Thicken the lid at the back over the hinge sites; Use different lid attachment - pin hinges with a lid flush with the top of the box; Something else?
Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
Adrian from Glebe.
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4th February 2024, 06:43 PM #2GOLD MEMBER
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11mm thick lid. 12mm long screws. I would grind 3mm off the tips of the screws and drill 9mm deep holes in the lid. The tip of the screw has bugger-all holding power anyway. If you drill a hole the same diameter as the screw shank they don't need to be pointy to screw into the hole.
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5th February 2024, 12:55 PM #3GOLD MEMBER
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What Jack said or fit a piano hinge, lots of small screws to do the job of a few bigger ones.
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5th February 2024, 08:11 PM #4GOLD MEMBER
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What Aldav said. A piano hinge is the way I would go.
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6th February 2024, 01:13 PM #5New Member
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Thank you for the suggestions. It shows me that I should have worked through the design before I started or at least before glueing up the box, rather than make it up as I go along trying to use material that's at hand. Maybe I should just stick to a lift off lid..... Thanks again
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6th February 2024, 07:11 PM #6SENIOR MEMBER
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learn from experience
I've learned a lot of woodworking by trial and error (ask me how I know!) and from YouTube. Making it up as one goes along is satisfying and working out problems as one goes is a wonderful way to learn.
There is a great book called "Basic Box Making" by Doug Stowe. I can't find a free PDF version on the net but there are some YouTube videos of his techniques from the book. Search for Basic Boxmaking by Doug Stowe on the YouTube platform.
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7th February 2024, 11:31 AM #7Senior Member
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Have you thought of using a wooden dowel hinge?
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7th February 2024, 12:14 PM #8
You could try roughing the brass up on the hinge with sand paper and just glueing them into the lid with something like Poly glue.
Or another way is glue the lid onto the box top and then saw it off around the red line. Plane it up and screw in hinges. That's a pretty common way of box making.
It also prevents the lid from cupping . It prevents the expansion and contraction of the top so seal it well both sides to slow that down. That type of design normally requires specific spacing of the dovetails . 1, to give the cut off top section good joinery and 2, to allow a saw cut to be made and still get a pleasing dovetail lay out look. In the old days a rip saw would do the cut by hand but now days a table saw with a 3 mm , or less, kerf works fast.
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14th February 2024, 07:54 PM #9Woodie.
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Veneer inlay Australia has a wide range of brass slotted head countersink screws for sale contact Michael he will set you straight.
if you go for the sawn-off system run a steel screw in 1st to tap the hole then when you insert the brass screw use a dab of superglue to make a tight fit.
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