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    Tackled my first dovetails last night to take my mind off the day I had but ran in to a little problem with my dodgie eyesight. I found I couldn't see the lines left by the marking knife and going over them with pencil just seemed to blur everything and make it worse. Tried going over the knife lines with a fine tipped felt pen on the second attempt but the ink running into the timber will be a problem on a real exercise.
    So how do you guy's mark your lines??? (or do you all have 20/20 vision )
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    Use masking tape (one of the coloured ones that suits you) wrap around the timber whre the dovetails are going, mark and cut the tape with a knife, then proceed
    The person who never made a mistake never made anything

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    Quote Originally Posted by rwbuild View Post
    Use masking tape (one of the coloured ones that suits you) wrap around the timber whre the dovetails are going, mark and cut the tape with a knife, then proceed
    I like that idea a lot I don't know if it will stand up to my chisel 'skills' but I'll give it a go anyway.
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    I mark mine with a sharp awl, then use that to mark a fine pencil line. I can't see a marking knife line cut with the grain either.
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    Default chalk

    I mark with a gauge and rub chalk into the line. And plenty of light, too. Helps my eye see.

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    I saw a guy do it once with coloured chalk after marking the line with a knife. He just scrubbed it in.

    Wiped it off with water afterwards.

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    Gday TTTTT ?
    chalk is a good idea, try it and see if it works for you
    I do a lot of big and small dove tail joints,
    use a hard lead pencil, cut inside the line,(the waste side).
    a good gents or tennen saw, and finish with a good sharp chisel
    test fit as often as you can, take your time.
    good luck
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    Quote Originally Posted by homesy135 View Post
    I mark with a gauge and rub chalk into the line. And plenty of light, too. Helps my eye see.
    Quote Originally Posted by Evanism View Post
    I saw a guy do it once with coloured chalk after marking the line with a knife. He just scrubbed it in.
    Wiped it off with water afterwards.
    Quote Originally Posted by bandd View Post
    Gday TTTTT ?
    chalk is a good idea, try it and see if it works for you .....................
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    Looks like the ayes have it! Thanks Guys. I'll have to see if I can find some darker coloured chalk - only got white in the shed - which will be OK on Gidgee and other dark stuff
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    Pink chalk stands out well in dark and light coloured wood. I picked up a big tub of thick multi-coloured chalk sticks for $2 at my local $2 shop.

    Was your suggestion of using gidgee just a pun?

    Most dovetail gurus use soft pine to demonstrate their technique and the wood can be squeezed together if the joint is too tight, and stretched or bent to 90 degrees. I wouldn't try that with our hard timbers. The dovetail joints have to be cut and pared to fit for most Aussie woods I've used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by homesy135 View Post
    ...........Was your suggestion of using gidgee just a pun? ............
    No joke . I've found a source of finely Ringed gidgee and if I can ever get my skills up to scratch, I want to dovetail some against some very light coloured timber like Norfolk Island Hibiscus
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    Lasic Eye Surgery, ~ $6K + or - and you'll see 20/20 again!

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    I use an HB Pencil, providing you cut on the waste side of the line it'll be OK.

    Tried a marking knife but when using a Jap Saw had a lot of trouble with the blade wanting to fall in a follow the score mark.

    Also another bonus with Pencil if you stuff up (which I do) it's easy to rub out. Not so easy to get rid of cut marks.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timless Timber View Post
    Lasic Eye Surgery, ~ $6K + or - and you'll see 20/20 again!

    Scary stuff but it works!
    Looked into that once but apparently I'm not a candidate - both long and short-sighted with damage to the left from a bleed at the back of the eye a few years ago

    Quote Originally Posted by fineboxes View Post
    I use an HB Pencil, providing you cut on the waste side of the line it'll be OK.

    Tried a marking knife but when using a Jap Saw had a lot of trouble with the blade wanting to fall in a follow the score mark.

    Also another bonus with Pencil if you stuff up (which I do) it's easy to rub out. Not so easy to get rid of cut marks.

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    There's just something about pencil lines under fluro light - they just become almost invisible to me, particularly on darker timbers
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    Have you tried turning the fluro off?
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    Replace the fluro with a Led set up up.

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