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    Default Suggestions for glue clean up

    Hi folks,

    I've made a complete mess of gluing the top and bottom of a box - just separated them today and can see there's way more glue scattered around the inside than I really want to be sanding down, particularly with it all being in the corners and a pain to get to.

    It's epoxy (araldite specifically) - any easy way to clean it up? I tried hitting it with some acetone and a cloth - it did remove some but it'll be a slow job getting rid of the whole lot!

    I've been meaning to buy a small chisel plane anyway, so that might be the next step unless there is a better way?

    Cheers,

    Danny

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    Before glueup, I line the inside edges with blue painters tape. After separating the lid run a scalpel along the corners and it all peels right off.

    With your job? Id just run a flat chisel down the inside after scoring it in the very corner with a scalpel (Eckersleys $4)

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    Why are you using araldite to glue boxes?
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    epoxy which was left to dry on the surface of timber doesn't stick very good unless the timber was very course grained. So a chisel will be able to pick big flakes of the epoxy off the surface fairly easily. Then use a chisel to clean the corners. If you had of finished the inside of the box first with just about anything, the epoxy doesn't stick at all.

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    I always put a coat of shellac on the inside of boxes before assembly, and smear a line of cheap wax next to the corners. Any excess glue just peels off, and then I clean the wax off with a toothbrush & white spirits.
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    Thanks all! That sounds like my best going to be some careful chisel and scalpel work. I screwed it up in the first place because I normally rebate the top and bottom of boxes before glue up, but for this one I decided (in hindsight, stupidly!) to just do a butt joint for the top and bottom, and didn't think about how much glue would get smeared around as I aligned and clamped everything...

    Must remember to prep more carefully next time.

    Using araldite because the top and bottom are blackwood and I have had really bad green stain issues with PVA with this particular piece of blackwood - worse than other bits. The only glues I had around that weren't PVA were the epoxy and the polyurethane - ironically I decided against the poly to avoid having to clean up the mess!

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    I only get green staining from titebond II and III. Titebond original has never gone green on me with blackwood. The green stain does plane/sand out, but you need to remove a bit of material which isnt appropriate for a box.

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    Ah! That's interesting, I might have to get some tite bond I and give it a try, I normally only keep 2 and 3 in the shop.

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    Yep, Kuffy is right. On the picture above, the sides are blackwood. TB1 plays nicely.

    This one below the BW was from a member (Clive Oldfield). It is just a sample box that now sits gathering dust.

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    I was buying a smoothing plane from the folks at fine tools anyway, so I added a chisel plane to that purchase - a combination of chisel and chisel plane work cleaned up the epoxy OK, enough to try installing some lining for the first time- it's good enough for my own use at least!

    The best part of this thread though was to use TB1 with blackwood - I love blackwood and just did the joinery for another box successfully with TB1 and no green stain to be seen! So thank you to Kuffy and woodPixel .

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    A cabinet scraper may be a cheap way out. Coarse burr on one side for glue removal, fine on the other to finish.
    Cheers, Ern

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    I would be using a PVA wood glue.

    When I make a glue joint, I always immediately wipe the excess with a damp cloth before it dries. You can eliminate the problem before it really exists this way. Whatever's left over is scraper work. If it's in a tight corner, do the best you can and then use a chisel, either shearing it or scraping, to get the rest.

    There's always tape, but that's time consuming and potentially expensive. That blue, painter tape isn't cheap.

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    This is what it ended up looking like - this was the first real box off a new incra i-box, so it's a bit crappy in some respects. Also the first time I've tried installing lining rather than flocking, and I still need to sand back some of the wipe on poly on the top and re-finish, so don't judge me too harshly!





    Immediately after this I went to spotlight and got some supplies to install lining via some heavy card instead of straight to the base, should've done it beforehand!

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    Its very sturdy

    It would be quite cool to round over all the edges and corners, even the insides. I like the dimensions, but it looks so "heavy". Rounding the fingers would add mystique to it.

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    Yeah, I thought about the concepts of delicacy and elegance and decided I wanted nothing to do with them!

    Rounded corners is an interesting idea for this one, it would certainly make it a bit more exciting! Will have to think about whether I want to work on it a bit more or just call it an imperfect box and use it somewhere myself.

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