Thread: Sprays

Originally Posted by Johncs

The Paint Place has on offer a Wagner W180P airless sprayer for $135.00.

Moneybags has a ceiling in need of repainting after someone left a couple of tiles off before rain.

Is this a good tool for the job?
Is this a good (or reasonable) price for the tool?
What further uses might it find the the course of making furniture?

I should have read a little further. "With bonus sander."

I wouldn't think a spray unit would be the best piece of equipment for the job.

1. You will need to do a lot more preparation with a spray unit than if you did it will a paint brush and roller.
2. You will have a lot of over spray, leading to more mess if the wall are a different colour.
3. You will have additional cost, like a respirator when using a spray gun, that is if you want to keep your lungs in good nick.
4. The job may not be a simple as whacking on a coat of paint, it could be deeper such as water damage. Which in the long run could be dangerous.

If it were me, or more suited if it were my Dad (painter/decorator +25 years) he would inspect for water damage. Just to be sure. Use a roller, the ease of use will be so much more beneficial to you, plus there is less mess (unless you kick the paint tray over )

Good luck with whichever method you choose.

Harlan

P.S. If you want to buy a spray unit, don't go a wagner, you will be disappointed. Get yourself a decent HVLP Gun and a good compressor if you want to do spraying, you wont regret it.

I bought an oldfields ( similar) unit when I moved into this house some 25 years ago and did the celings
I got one because the celings were ornate patterned with birds anv vines etc and would have had to be done by brush, and having done several other celings in sydney decided on the spray unit
It took a day to prepear and mask up and an hour to paint
I had to get a 45deg extension for the nozzle to do celings and a diffrent nozzle to use acrilic paints , ( they are more abrasive ) but other wise it did a great job

Originally Posted by Wooden Mechanic

I wouldn't think a spray unit would be the best piece of equipment for the job.

1. You will need to do a lot more preparation with a spray unit than if you did it will a paint brush and roller.
2. You will have a lot of over spray, leading to more mess if the wall are a different colour.
3. You will have additional cost, like a respirator when using a spray gun, that is if you want to keep your lungs in good nick.
4. The job may not be a simple as whacking on a coat of paint, it could be deeper such as water damage. Which in the long run could be dangerous.

If it were me, or more suited if it were my Dad (painter/decorator +25 years) he would inspect for water damage. Just to be sure. Use a roller, the ease of use will be so much more beneficial to you, plus there is less mess (unless you kick the paint tray over )

Good luck with whichever method you choose.

I have the mask, got it for a job where asbestos may have been present, so I just need the filters.

Emptying the room would be a major pain, and painting with a roller or brush without doing so would be difficult and/or hazardous.

I've seen a couple of videos (youtube). It seems covering and masking well is the go. We have most of the stuff from a previous paint job, done with rollers and brushes.

School where I work was sprayed. He did less covering thant I expected would be needed, and drift wasn't a problem. He did use a compressor, whether high pressure or high volume I don't know. Chap selling air stuff at the Tradies' Expo here thought I should use airless.

I know I need an extension, the ceiling's 2700.

I'll tell you what my dad told me.

He said that whilst that Wagner will do the job, it wont have near the pressure to do it well. He said he has used one for fencing and it barely had enough pressure to do that (put lightly) But he did suggest you look into a higher priced unit, a Wagner, that is made for ceiling work. Has a lot more pressure behind it.I think that will be the down fall, the lack of pressure. Mainly for the reason is you don't want to thin the paint to much. I don't think it is really an option, thinning the paint.

If it is impractical to move the stuff from the room, push it all to the middle?

Let us know what results you get if you do decide to go ahead with the spray unit.


Harlan

Originally Posted by Johncs

I have the mask, got it for a job where asbestos may have been present, so I just need the filters.

Emptying the room would be a major pain, and painting with a roller or brush without doing so would be difficult and/or hazardous.

I've seen a couple of videos (youtube). It seems covering and masking well is the go. We have most of the stuff from a previous paint job, done with rollers and brushes.

School where I work was sprayed. He did less covering thant I expected would be needed, and drift wasn't a problem. He did use a compressor, whether high pressure or high volume I don't know. Chap selling air stuff at the Tradies' Expo here thought I should use airless.

I know I need an extension, the ceiling's 2700.

Oh I forgot to mention, maybe look into a Wagner 0418011 Spraytech Paintcrew Airless Sprayer.

Budget allowing of course...

Originally Posted by Wooden Mechanic

Oh I forgot to mention, maybe look into a Wagner 0418011 Spraytech Paintcrew Airless Sprayer.

Budget allowing of course...

Moving stuff the the middle is (mostly) possible. It will be more possible if I can't reach over it.

One of the more difficult objects is a bookshelf I had to shorten 10mm to get through the door!

Assuming I get one of these sprayers, might it also be useful in finishing woodwork? Or do I need something else for that?

Moving stuff the the middle is (mostly) possible. It will be more possible if I can't reach over it.

Could be the solution. Except that book case, sounds really big.

Assuming I get one of these sprayers, might it also be useful in finishing woodwork?

This particular model is designed for larger jobs where a reservoir bigger than that of the gun you were originally thinking of is needed. It's primary use if for emulsion and Latex Paints but also for use with water based paints as well (what you will be using I assume)

I wouldn't be getting this machine for spray finishing any of my projects, thats a dead cert. I would maybe look at getting a HVLP (high volume low pressure) turbine or maybe even the Earlex. Again it depends on your budget. A nice Apollo (said to be high quality, haven't used one.) would be great for a high quality finish. As to would the Earlex (again haven't used one just going off what I have read and seen)

Apollo Site: http://www.hvlp.com/turbines.php
Earlex Site: http://www.earlex.co.uk/html/menus_html/hvlp.htm

The original wagner you looked at could also be used for spray finishing.
It comes down to a matter or preference.

At work we use a simple spray gun with a liter pot and compressor. We also have a Pressure pot (10L) and this again works wonders for spraying stains and lacquers.

I would save the money that you would other wise spend on the wagner and take the time to use the paint brush and roller. You can put the money towards a far better unit and will be much more pleased with the results you will get on your furniture.


Hope this help, probably just confused you more.

Harlan

Originally Posted by Wooden Mechanic

Oh I forgot to mention, maybe look into a Wagner 0418011 Spraytech Paintcrew Airless Sprayer.

Budget allowing of course...

The prices I've found are over 200 quid, haven't found an Australian price. 200 quid is too much, the job might have to wait.

Originally Posted by Wooden Mechanic

I wouldn't be getting this machine for spray finishing any of my projects, thats a dead cert. I would maybe look at getting a HVLP (high volume low pressure) turbine or maybe even the Earlex. Again it depends on your budget. A nice Apollo (said to be high quality, haven't used one.) would be great for a high quality finish. As to would the Earlex (again haven't used one just going off what I have read and seen)

Apollo Site: http://www.hvlp.com/turbines.php
Earlex Site: http://www.earlex.co.uk/html/menus_html/hvlp.htm

The original wagner you looked at could also be used for spray finishing.
It comes down to a matter or preference.

At work we use a simple spray gun with a liter pot and compressor. We also have a Pressure pot (10L) and this again works wonders for spraying stains and lacquers.

I would save the money that you would other wise spend on the wagner and take the time to use the paint brush and roller. You can put the money towards a far better unit and will be much more pleased with the results you will get on your furniture.


Hope this help, probably just confused you more.

Harlan

I might buy a cheapish sprayer if there's future work (or the prospect of future work) for it.

I don't expect to buy spray equipment for either job, but if there's one that is modestly-priced and will do both, then maybe. At present it might be "nice to have," but it's not "essential."

Is this up to the job of painting the ceiling?
http://www.carbatec.com.au/finishes-...-spraying-unit



I have a (cheapish) compressor.

I might buy a cheapish sprayer if there's future work (or the prospect of future work) for it.

I don't expect to buy spray equipment for either job, but if there's one that is modestly-priced and will do both, then maybe. At present it might be "nice to have," but it's not "essential."

Is this up to the job of painting the ceiling?
http://www.carbatec.com.au/finishes-...-spraying-unit



I have a (cheapish) compressor.

The Earlex has had great reviews all over the world. Simple to use, compact and does a reasonable job at spraying wood finishes. I have no idea if it is any good for paint work. It is a HVLP turbine system so your winning there.

For two hundred dollars though you can buy a very decent spray gun and pot, seeing as you have the compressor already this may be the option to go for. It will spray the ceiling paint no worries depending on the Compressors output and will spray finishes nicely.

The earlex is more portable and has less to worry about, it's all there for you. So if your looking for a decent gun and Turbine your on the money with choosing the Earlex.

Harlan