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30th June 2008, 08:29 AM #1Novice
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Re-Finishing a Gibson LP BFG with Maple Top.
Hello everyone.
I'm currently working on a Gibson Les Paul BFG (BFG stands for Barely Finished Guitar) model.
I'm completely removing the top finish as well as the whole body & neck finish on this guitar as I really don't care for it.
Here is a picture.
I'm hoping to get the maple top to really POP & have an almost vintage/aged look to it.
A very close friend & a truly incredible woodworker/craftsman has recommended TransTint from Woodcraft.com called honey amber and another called golden brown.
I've also read that a product such as Tru Oil or Tung Oil may work well.
I've never worked with maple like this & have certainly never tried to get it to look as though it's been aged when it has not.
Right now I'm leaning towards a dye with a tint added perhaps a Red or Brown? Once I've got it to my liking, I'm going to seal it with a few High Gloss coats of Arm-R-Seal.
Thanks for any & all replies!
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30th June 2008, 11:38 AM #2
Welcome to the woodworking forum! There are some amazing woodworkers here as well as guitar builders. Something I've never had the nerve to do. You can be sure you will receive very good information here. They are all top notch blokes.
When all is said and done, there is usually a whole lot more said than done.
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30th June 2008, 12:47 PM #3Senior Member
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That is not a tiger/flame/figured top. Its plain jane maple. It wont 'pop', but it will change colour with some tints. The lines in the top that were there before you started sanding, were saw marks (lightly sanded for effect), not tiger maple.
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30th June 2008, 01:16 PM #4Novice
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I knew that the top was carved with the wave pattern but was unsure 'exactly' the type of maple it was.
Thanks for the clarification on it.
Appreciate your input.
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30th June 2008, 02:53 PM #5
what about a nice translucent finish, like a SG?
Yeah the BFG, all DOOMers know what THAT is!
Gibsons attempt to make a good guitar look old and used without the use. I agree, they didn't do much for meCheers!Mongrel
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Besides being a guitar player, I'm a big fan of the guitar. I love that damn instrument. -Steve Vai"Save me Jeebus!" -Homer Simpson
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30th June 2008, 03:10 PM #6Senior Member
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Transtint is nice stuff to use. I left all mine in Chicago when I moved back. I used it on a teabox I made for the wife. It was made from flamed maple and looks great. Make sure you keep good notes on your recipe/amounts, you use as it is hard to replicate the same mix if you don't measure precisely.
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30th June 2008, 07:22 PM #7
it may be tiger
in certain light you wont see the ripple
best way to pick it up is to run some metho over it and look at it on a slight angle- unless it was "photoflamed" in which case the film has been sanded offray c
dunno what's more fun, buyin' the tools or usin' em'
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3rd July 2008, 09:19 AM #8Novice
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Well, a very generous member here has sent me a couple of practice pieces of Maple Timber to practice my staining techniques on & I can see by his samples that the guitar is definitely not Tiger Maple
I'm still leaning towards the dye with the amber transtint unless someone has a better idea or more experience?
Thanks for such a wonderful forum. I'm already getting my list together to do some pen turning as well!
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4th July 2008, 02:05 PM #9Novice
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I've got the 1st coat of Arm-R-Seal on the backside & have ordered the Transtint in Honey Amber. It's my first try at any tint whatsoever. Thankfully I've got a couple of practice pieces of Maple.
Really glad to see that Black Finish that Gibson had put on it gone.
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4th July 2008, 10:55 PM #10
Why are you starting the finishing process before the stain had been done? If any of that got onto the top, you'll be in for a LOT more work that you were interested in to get it off. The stain/tint/dye/whatever needs to be done before any finish/sealer is applied. Otherwise, it won't absorb into the pores - they'll be sealed shut.
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5th July 2008, 02:33 AM #11Novice
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I'm only staining the Top Maple. The Guitar is actually all Mahogany. The only places that are getting sealed now are the 'very' back & the neck/headstock.
I'm leaving the sides & top undone. I'm not flooding the sealer on the backside either so there are no chances of any running down the sides or anywhere near the top.
When I've got the stain/dye in hand next week I'll tape off the unfinished sides just below where the Maple meets the Mahogany & apply my dye/tint then.
If I were staining the whole Guitar I could see your point though.
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5th July 2008, 09:07 AM #12
Your funeral. Do it how you see fit, but you're much better off not beginning the finishing until the whole thing is ready to be finished. This could create a bad habit that will bite you someday. I hope it works out for you.
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Your camera seems to have a problem with colours and the bright blue swimming pool in the background does not help either.
So here is the first pic with the colours rebalanced a little more.
Whatever you do, try it out on a scrap pieces first. Tung oil for example can darken timber so much you can never recover it. keep a good record of what you do and times in between coats and you should be OK.
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5th July 2008, 12:20 PM #14Novice
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Thank you very much BobL!
You're absolutely right about the color. Your picture looks much more like the actual guitar. \
Definitely going to try another piece of Maple before I actually put anything on the guitar.
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5th July 2008, 12:33 PM #15Novice
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I'm not totally new to refinishing these guitars though this will be my first attempt @ staining anything on purpose to get a more vintage look to it.
Here's a picture of a recently finished Vintage Mahogany Gibson LP.
It started out as a worn brown stain with very little to no sanding done by Gibson. It looked pretty bad when I got it. I have a before picture around here somewhere. I'll try to find it.
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