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  1. #1
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    hey guys,

    ive started a build of a tele and im just wondering about some advice regarding string through holes.

    ive read alot on the subject and im just sort of consolidating what ive read.

    i am using (like a few others) the TerryD cad drawing a a starting point, ive got a licenced tele neck here that fits the dimensions nicely.

    if it matters im using bluegum apparently its similar to mahogany, im not phased its mainly a lerning curve, and ive made my templates and everything.

    my question come down to the bridge placement and string through hole placement, the bridge i have ordered is this.

    Guitar Parts from Australian Luthiers Supplies - Parts and materials for guitars, basses, mandolins and violins, replacement hardware including bridges and machine heads, wood for tops, backs & sides, necks and fingerboards, tuners, bridges and other

    i have also ordered the ferrules that ive read alot about from stew mac.

    they only way i can see it working is measuring down from the nut the correct scale thength(25.5'), and then marking a line..this line would then be where the center line of the bridge would sit( where the string bends over the bridge)

    then how far back would the ferrules and holes be? i figure this a critical dimension? i can mark this out in cad as i have the drawings and im pretty familiar with autocad.

    thanks for any help


    edit: here the part of the drawings im refering to



    also heres the distances giving me grief


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    the distance from the bridge to the ferrule holes is not a critical distance and can be whatever you want it to be ...the critical distance is the scale length (distance between nut and birdge)

    however a critical point to note:

    the bridge u have chosen is one usually for a LP where the neck is set at an angle to the plane of the body ...bridge height off the body(distance from bottom of string to body at the bridge end) is taller than a typical tele bridge(your pic shows this)

    on a tele with a typical tele bridge the plane of the neck is parallel to the plane of the body

    if u wish to use humbuckers AND have the typical tele 'feel' of parallel neck/parallel body ....there are tele bridges suitable or fixed strat bridges

    otherwise u might have to deviate from the norm to compensate for the increased bridge height on your tele
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    ahhh thanks alot mate, that makes sense.

    yeah i will be going with a humbucker, am i right in assuming that i wont have to cut the neck pocket as deep to compensate? whatever the few mill it is?.

    thanks again mate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clarke View Post
    ahhh thanks alot mate, that makes sense.

    yeah i will be going with a humbucker, am i right in assuming that i wont have to cut the neck pocket as deep to compensate? whatever the few mill it is?.

    thanks again mate.
    ...yeah ...u could have a shallow neck pocket and keep the parallel neck/body feel but the strings will be much higher off the guitar body than a typical electric guitar and then u might have to invent a pickguard tht will put in an artificial floor near the pickups ...ala da big G

    ./..or u could put in the neck angle like da big G ...i forgot the exact angle but it surely can be found out by googling

    in which case u might still need the pickguard ala big G but the strings not so high off the guitar body espc at neck pickup end...and there is more of a 'normal' LP feel to it (neck at slight angle to plane of body)

    ...or get a tele bridge with humbucker hole and proceed as per normal tele construction...or get fixed strat bridge with string spacing for humbucker ...and proceed as per normal...

    pick yer poison i guess
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    Quote Originally Posted by R3R View Post
    ...yeah ...u could have a shallow neck pocket and keep the parallel neck/body feel but the strings will be much higher off the guitar body than a typical electric guitar and then u might have to invent a pickguard tht will put in an artificial floor near the pickups ...ala da big G
    cheers, im already inventing a pickguard to thats no problem.

    i was looking at the traditional tele bridge on stew mac, the drawing that is.
    it has a string height of 10.12mm.

    http://www.stewmac.com/catalog/specs/4583_1spec.gif

    and the gotoh bridge has about 10.69
    http://www.stewmac.com/catalog/specs/0167-N_1spec.gif

    with such small tolerances would it more worthwhile to cut the neck pocket as per the drawings and shim a mill or 2 if i need to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clarke View Post
    cheers, im already inventing a pickguard to thats no problem.

    i was looking at the traditional tele bridge on stew mac, the drawing that is.
    it has a string height of 10.12mm.

    http://www.stewmac.com/catalog/specs/4583_1spec.gif

    and the gotoh bridge has about 10.69
    http://www.stewmac.com/catalog/specs/0167-N_1spec.gif

    with such small tolerances would it more worthwhile to cut the neck pocket as per the drawings and shim a mill or 2 if i need to?
    well...the 10.69 does not include the lil height of the bridge saddle

    and this 10.69+lil bit is the MINIMUM height if bridge is adjusted as low as possible ...usually such a bridge is installed a few mms off the body like in your pic


    ...

    the 10.12 mm string height on the tele bridges is near the minimum but the maximum is only a couple more mms above tht depending on length of bridge saddle screws
    your plans prob specify neck pocket depth for such a bridge
    ....
    assuming u want parallel neck/body ...

    ...the shim might be around 3 mm if i had to guess but u prob do better to fit the neck to the body and test for yourself by routing a shallower than usual depth (say 5mm off the usual depth)

    install bridge and a couple of strings and see wht the action is like

    i reckon u prob want a few mms play at the bridge height end and not force yourself to deck the bridge
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    Or you could recess the bridge??


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    yeah

    tht would work

    looks a cute lil guitar this one heh
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    There is one consideration you need to make when setting the distance from the ferrel length from a TOM bridge is to make sure that the strings don't touch the bridge piece as the strings angle off the top of the saddles. The strings should only touch the tip of the saddles. If you place the ferrels too close to the bridge, or the bridge is set too high, the strings can wrap around the back of the bridge and rest on the back of the bridge, which is not a good result on tone and can creat some buzzes. Also you don't want to create a string deflection angle over the bridge that is too sharp, as it increases the string pressure over the bridge and can lead to unwanted string breaking.

    Cheers,

    Peter

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    aye Peter

    tht's a good catch tht one
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    thanks blokes lots of stuff i didnt think off

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