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2nd June 2014, 11:54 AM #3331SENIOR MEMBER
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The V11 is a totally different unit.
I've never heard much negative about them.
The V10 looks great, and I've agonised over getting one a few times, but they can be grenades if luck runs against you. That one on Gumtree could be OK, who knows ?
All the problems can be fixed with more durable bits if you want to do it.
It's interesting, about 12 months ago someone wanted info on a lathe bed they had. At the time I knew I'd seen one before and couldn't place what brand. Looking at Emco's again, I'm pretty sure that's what the bed was from, a V10. It has distinctive web bracing.
RobThe worst that can happen is you will fail.
But at least you tried.
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2nd June 2014, 01:19 PM #3332Senior Member
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Is this the thread you are referring to?
https://www.woodworkforums.com/f65/lathe-look-similar-lorch-177883
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2nd June 2014, 01:47 PM #3333SENIOR MEMBER
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2nd June 2014, 10:12 PM #3334Cba
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The V10 and also the Super 11 (and the mill head) do indeed have "fibre" gears to reduce noise and thereby improve surface finish. The "fibre" is not just cheap plastic - it is high grade and expensive Tufnol (stacks of fabric impregnated with phenolic resin). And it is not just plain Tufnol gears - some are pressed onto compound steel gears, some have oilite bushings. The drive train is essentially made of gear pairs: with one gear being steel precision ground and polished, the other gear Tufnol. The end result is an exceptionally quiet and smooth running headstock (or mill head). A refreshing experience when compared to similar Asian made lathes, whose headstock noises remind one of skeletons having sex on a tin roof.
Here a link to a current British supplier for these spare EMCO V10P Tufnol gears: https://www.emcomachinetools.co.uk/E...CProductNumber
The gear selectors are actually Zinc alloy castings (something similar to Zamak in the US). Many other parts are also made of this same Zinc casting material. And this is the Achilles heel of all light EMCO machines. This Zinc alloy is subject to the dreaded "Zinc Pest". See Wikipedia on Zinc Pest: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinc_pest.
Some few EMCO machines have been known to develop this problem after 20 or 30 years. Nobody knows if it is caused by a fault like embedded Lead residue in the casting, or if it is caused by the specific environment the lathe was stored/used. It can be devastating, see here: http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb...-parts-253940/
Definitely something to check when buying an older EMCO lathe. Especially if the machine looks pretty much used and worn, with the right leadscrew bracket a different color....(it is a Zinc casting too).
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3rd June 2014, 03:34 PM #3335Pink 10EE owner
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Well today I went down to that place in Bundaberg... It was a large business at one stage employing 67 people..
They had their own foundry and forging facilities.. Semco was the brand name they sold under. They made a lot of rural orientated items... I remember we had a Semco hammer mill at one stage...
Unfortunately everything has gone to ruin... The shed roofs look like someone has been shooting them with a shotgun there are that many holes.... The rubbish on the floor really has to be seen to be believed... The owner passed away from old age but never got anything sorted as he got older, nor seemed to bring the business up to modern times.. I was told in the end he was in his eighties and just him dabbling away in the shed alone.. It was obvious at least the equipment in use was looked after until near the end.. It did not look abused..
There is a reasonable amount of gear there, but not a massive amount...
A large amount of steel stock that is being sold off gradually..
In the machine tool department there was..
A very very very very large slotter, but also very old..
A very very very old DSG lathe
A large Massey power hammer.
Other gear for forging and bending/cutting plate.
A big town radial drill...
Probably the best tool in the shop was a 1955 Asquith OD1 radial drill..
What looked like a 16 or 18" stroke I guess Invicta shaper.. It was covered in stuff so was unable to have a look..
A small slotter unbranded. Had power feeds but was small and old and rusty.
Large Nuttall lathe, they bought it new.. Dated December 1954 on the bed.
A Taiwanese Philips Imperial (mori Seiki clone) lathe about 520 swing or so.
A Stirk vertical borer (Stirk were well known for making planers)
A small Richards Horizontal borer..probably the smallest they made, similar capacity to my G&L 25RT, but the Richards machine looks to be about two tonnes heavier... Possibly in OK condition but ways are rusty.. Old design though, I guess somewhere between WW1 and WW2.
A Fellows gear cutter, A sunderland gear cutter, A Barber coleman gear hobber, and two or three Gleason straight bevel gear cutters...
An assortment of turret lathes
An old planer, about 10ft X 3ft capacity, converted to hydraulic use and converted to a plano-miller... No I did not buy it...
A cinci TC grinder (not in the best condition), plus a Clarkson TC grinder. Never saw much in the way of attachments for either...
A Saimp (spanish) turret mill.... Looked OK maybe.. Had slotting head as well...
Probably some other stuff I have forgotten...
A lot of rubbish, and I mean a lot...
I have a lot of photo's, but was not a good day for photo taking, too overcast..Light red, the colour of choice for the discerning man.
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3rd June 2014, 04:19 PM #3336SENIOR MEMBER
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Some pix would be nice - tool pron is appreciated. Heading north to the sun and land of machine tools now...
PDW
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3rd June 2014, 06:03 PM #3337Senior Member
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Qantas sale
I went to the Qantas sale inspection day yesterday. Mostly large older CNC lathes/mills, large suface grinders, huge DSG lathe and sundry stuff that I was not really interested in. For me the main show was the Mitsui seiki jig borer. It was love at first site. These machines are amazing (although obsolete in modern machining business) and to me they represent the pinnacle of manual machine production. They operate in the sub tenth world rarely visited by other machines. As much art as machine tool.
The Qantas engineer who was there gave me a great run down on the machine and it was obviously his sentimental favourite as well. The tooling cabinets were full of the most amazing boring heads,drills,end mills, micro boring heads, microscope edge finders etc. I doubt any apprentices entered this temperature controlled world upon threat of death.
So after much discussion with the wife last night about do you really need another machine/will you ever use it/how much did you say it was she relented and I ended up the highest bidder this afternoon. Expensive ( especially compared to the SIP which sold at Newcastle last year over which I still have nightmares but I was OS at the time) but I would have kicked myself if I hadn't bid. So now the rush to sort out how to move 6 tonnes plus extras of precision machine back to the farm.
So pictures later and more discussion in the future no doubt
http://www.graysonline.com/lot/0014-...ing?redirect=0
http://res0.graysonline.com/handlers...90529737670000
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3rd June 2014, 06:08 PM #3338
Bridgeport Mill
Checkout the Return Policy in the Item Description.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Bridgepor...item4ad639320eShane
Still trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.
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3rd June 2014, 06:21 PM #3339Pink 10EE owner
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I see some of those items from Qantas sold for some real money.
Anyway pics from today...Light red, the colour of choice for the discerning man.
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3rd June 2014, 06:58 PM #3340Senior Member
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3rd June 2014, 07:07 PM #3341Senior Member
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By the way Richard there was a rotary table at the qantas sale just right for our horizontal borers. In perfect condition, could tilt 0-90 degress and 800mm across. Oh, and it weighed in at 1100kgs!! The engineer said they LOST it after they sold the borer in the past and FOUND it in a back room.
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3rd June 2014, 07:11 PM #3342SENIOR MEMBER
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Everything I saw went for a small fraction of the replacement value, some things like ovens for scrap value. Last time I saw it, the plasma spraying equipment was virtually being given away if replacement value was considered. Contrast the Qantas sale with the one you posted pictures of. The former were very well cared for tools and machines, run by extremely highly trained and skilled people, that were until recently still producing work of world leading standard in the field. This was never going to be an auction for bottom feeders to get excited about buying some clapped out POS that had been neglected for the past 40 years of its life.
While I purchased some things I'll be the first to admit it was with mixed emotions. Once this stuff is gone it can never realistically be replaced, the cost would be too prohibited. Meanwhile hundreds of very skilled and dedicated employees get given the flick, and their work expertise instead replaced by the lowest bid of the day from Eastern Mongolia. It's a sad day in Australian history I'm afraid, as the engineers were a big part of making Qantas the international icon it was.
Mark you have an eye for quality and I'll be the first to congratulate you on your purchase. That's a VERY nice piece of machinery. I long ago learnt that the satisfaction of having a few things of very high quality far exceeds the pain of surrounding myself with crap, and the price of getting there is soon forgotten. I think that machine will bring a smile to your face every time you use it. Good luck to you.
Pete
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3rd June 2014, 07:23 PM #3343SENIOR MEMBER
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