Thread: eBay (and other auctions) Old and ancient stuff.

Originally Posted by DSEL74

Camo,


Lets put this simply…..What is the badge on the machine? What was the exact name of the company at the time that exact machine with that badge on it was sold… You seem to forget the context of my post was relating to a particular saw in the post directly above. The statement revolved around the nameplate on the machine. As I see it that machine is a Thomas McPherson machine. This directs people to this fact which would allow them to find a Thomas McPherson catalogue to look in, it will also help to date the period of the machine. It in no ways precludes any other relationship.

Why did I state not 100% sure because your question was obviously a loaded one, and I felt you were holding back information from that question to bait a response..Looks like you were.

The fact that you said you were holding back and with each post tried more bluntly and forcefully to get me to change my post is little more than bullying and harassment. I sated my views and my intention simply. I understand the there is a relationship between the company names and that has been revealed along the coarse. The fact that you questioned my motives, says more about your self than it does about me. I acknowledged your point but you refused to accept that I have a different view point with no ulterior motive. It seems that you must win at all costs by your tactics in manipulation of my segmented posts. This borders on trolling. Maybe this is the reason sections of the forum die off, there is less traffic to this section than there used to be.

I am entitled to my opinion and to express it. This is a FORUM after all. Maybe you should post all the factual data in a wikipedia for researcher where all can be verified and the researchers will not be mislead in any way.

Because I didn't want this to degrade any further I conceded to delete my post and I will no longer post to this section as I don't need the stress of having my every word scrutinised and twisted. As I said earlier I may not be a good wordsmith nor have to ability to retain all the information and facts I read. But I do always read to the end of a thread etc to get all the info at the time, I'm not silly enough to run off with just one tid bit as fact from one source. I also don't feel I can be blamed if someone else is foolish enough to do so.


As previously stated I leave the editing, deletion of the earlier post & any subsequent ones in the hands of the mods. I am not interested in participating in any further correspondence on this matter.

Dale,

Oh come on, really!! Do I continue down this path, or do I try to be the better man and walk away. Did you have to use the word Trolling, and then say this

Originally Posted by DSEL74

Maybe this is the reason sections of the forum die off, there is less traffic to this section than there used to be.

I don't want to "twist" your words, but now I think your intent is fairly clear (good wordsmith or not).

Originally Posted by DSEL74

Why did I state not 100% sure because your question was obviously a loaded one, and I felt you were holding back information from that question to bait a response..Looks like you were.

No it wasn't a loaded question, on each post, I gave you the information I had at the time, and I think the opportunity to clarify what you meant by your statement. But I have to ask, why when I asked:

Originally Posted by camoz

Are you sure it is a different company??

after you said:

Originally Posted by DSEL74

That is a Thomas McPherson saw by the way not a McPherson we are more familiar with.

did you respond the way you did, especially if you thought it was a baited question and if you didn't mean by this that Thomas McPherson & Son and McPherson's Pty Ltd were two different companies. I think my initial question made it pretty clear how I was interpreting what you had said (rightly or wrongly).

This would have been a perfect response:

Originally Posted by DSEL74

Camo,

Lets put this simply…..What is the badge on the machine? What was the exact name of the company at the time that exact machine with that badge on it was sold… You seem to forget the context of my post was relating to a particular saw in the post directly above. The statement revolved around the nameplate on the machine. As I see it that machine is a Thomas McPherson machine. This directs people to this fact which would allow them to find a Thomas McPherson catalogue to look in, it will also help to date the period of the machine. It in no ways precludes any other relationship.

although obviously at the time you may not have needed to put such emotion into it. Would I have still recommended that the first post be altered to prevent confusion, yes, and even after everything, I think it should be changed. Is that bordering on Trolling, or is it me trying to ensure someone in the future doesn't get sidetracked, I guess it's a matter of opinion.

You don't have to answer, I point it out as perhaps the Epicenter of what has become a big explosion, something perhaps for both of us to dwell on in the future.

OK, I'm not sure if this response counts as being the better man, or my response still "borders on trolling", but it's as nice as I could be given the circumstances, you should have seen my first draft.

Cheers,

Camo

I might suggest that the ironic point should be that without copying the ebay pics across to the forum, the whole point(s) of discussion will soon be erased by the ephemeral nature of ebay ads.

Also - I'm sure any one reading up on some references is likely to read more than a single post in order to get a context to whatever they are searching for. I know I've been drawn into some long and fascinating threads around and about from looking up one small reference.

Cheers guys,
Paul

OK, here it is

And the ebay link

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/141502089...84.m1423.l2649

I know that somewhere out in my shed there is a 1900s McPhersons woodwork machinery cattle dog but I haven't sighted it for about ten years.
How about we all calm down and wait until I find it.
Or my kids do when they clean up the whole mess after I'm completely gagga.
H.

Henry,

I would love to see that catalogue, I would also love to see more detail about your later Thomas McPherson & son Pty Ltd catalogue (perhaps it may have address details in it that may be relevent, perhaps if you get a chance you could start a new thread?)

Originally Posted by auscab

OK, here it is

And the ebay link

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/141502089...84.m1423.l2649

Thanks for the pictures, in case you missed it, their is also an initial thread that I linked to earlier, with more detail if you were specifically interested in the bandsaw (my focus was more on the history of McPherson's).

Originally Posted by pmcgee

Also - I'm sure any one reading up on some references is likely to read more than a single post in order to get a context to whatever they are searching for.

I agree with you in theory, but it's the path you get sent down that concerns me and how long it takes to find your way back, and why did you need to get sent down that path in the first place. I think you should be able to tell from my passion on this subject that in practice, I have fallen into the trap of not looking ahead enough in a thread for contradicting material. I was overwhelmed by the volume of material, I did not go far enough until much later. When I was going back to check the credibility of all the material, I found that I had missed the debate over the accuracy of the initial statement, as it was several posts later. When I look at Dale's post and then my question (on my computer), they show up on separate pages, and there are 3 unrelated posts in between, so although it would be the researchers fault for not reading on enough, I would have to be sympathetic. I rarely find during research that the stepping stones all line up nicely, sometimes there is lots of information on the one topic, and sometimes their is only one. If there is only one, then you either need to say, this person is right or this person is wrong, then you may have to take a leap over a few missing stones to what you think is the next stone.

Is Dale's post a critical stepping stone, well that could depend on what you put into whatever search engine you are using, but my stand point is, if the opportunity exists, why wouldn't you change it, I see many disadvantages in not changing it, and prior to it being locked absolutely no disadvantage. My stubbornness in wanting it changed, stems from my past experience, not some vendetta or sudden interest in becoming a Troll. Perhaps if I had it over again, I would have tried to explain better why I was so insistent on it being changed. I still do not understand were Dale's stubbornness to not change his initial post stemmed from. All I keep seeing, is it would have taken maybe 30 seconds to make a change to the wording, even if he wanted to say something like "I don't understand why Camo is interpreting this statement as saying...., but when I wrote this, what I mean by this is.....".

Anyway I have probably said too much again, and I have committed far too much to this topic, so I will leave it at that. I'm going to spend some time in the workshop.

Cheers,

Camo

On Ebay
I hereby volunteer Cam to check it out and take pics for our perusal.
I might know the guy selling or more likely the guy he bought it from.
There was a bloke up Newcastle way years ago who had 3 or 4 pf these.
H.

I spoke to the guy , He reckons it was a Tafe lathe , before the guy he bought it off. He says he's putting up pictures.
$5000 has got to be what a freshly painted one would be on a dealers showroom floor hasn't it ?
Any one ever seen a Wadkin 8 foot RS on a dealers floor and how much was it?
The last ebay RS I saw was $2200 I think Or was it $1800?? in Melbourne from memory it had the lot with it , not sure about the sliding tool carriage though

Any one ever seen a Wadkin RS 10' for sale on a dealers floor and how much was that. Or one at auction.

Ebay prices are the same as clearance sale prices mostly , unless you get two people who really want it , like Me Matty Cam, Alli maybe ?
and all the other people who like them that I don't know. If it started at $1 with no reserve, I wouldn't think it would finish at any more than$2500 to $3G with people fighting for it.
You never know though.

When I sold my RS 10 about 15years ago I got ten big ones for it.
Gabbit was the big dealer then he used to be sales manager for Austral before starting up his own secondhand machinery business.
Stuart then started up A class and he borrowed all of Jacks Wadkin cats etc and of course never returned them!?
These guys really new how to charge and would pay over the top at auctions just to have the machines in stock?
I also think they liked to cut out the private buyers where they could.
I bought a bit at auction and would keep my eye on them and be happy to bid one past them. I would be very wary of private bidders as some of them would lose it and pay anything just to win the auction. The dealers would put 100% Mark up so you knew where you stood with them.
With the collapse of the local furniture and foundry industries machines have never been cheaper but once we get thru this there will be no more.
The Poms went thru similar with Thatcher there was a wave of stuff around then and lately their new OHS laws have scared a lot more onto the market.
Both my RSs I bought at auction one as a pile of bits on a pallet the other from the SRA Everleigh shutdown here in Sydney.
H.

There's one of these big beautiful L.S.Barker Thicknessers for sale if some one wants !

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/thickness...3D221705051395



MMelbourne matty.

Looks like a Wilson Bros Chain and Chisel.

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/padbu...cer/1076909981

Rob

Originally Posted by auscab

Looks like a Wilson Bros Chain and Chisel. http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/padbu...cer/1076909981 Rob

Thats a rare goose, very nice. Quite a price though for a rusty machine at $2000? The pics from the ad for the future:

Sion , you would like this as well . A Wilson Bros Thickneser in Western Australia over where the chain and chisel is .

https://www.woodworkforums.com/f154/school-24-3phase-thicknesser-191940

Rob

There is a 24" thicknesser up Gnangara way at about $900


and not over our way ...

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/booro...goods&mpch=ads

However ... I am in danger of getting in trouble over these ...

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/bibra...goods&mpch=ads




http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/bibra...ne-/1076183185