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    Looking better all the time.

    Thanks for the tip about the ladies leg wax applier - I never knew there was such a thing - will be sure to check them out for my next build.
    (And being the gentleman that I am I won't ask how you found out about them )
    Cheers, Bob the labrat

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    Fun night last night, put on a dozen more strips, as these have started wrapping around the bow they are tortured into more and more awkward shapes, they now require extra fixings around, but using tiny 4g screws and not actually sinking the heads in got the panels really really fair.

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    Hoping to have these finished off Saturday, then spend the rest of the weekend starting on the opposing side.

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    Thanks Lab Ha-ha, was reading on-line about filleting methods and tools after finding myself frustrated with using a piece of pipe to do it all, and how god awful that was. I do have to say, you'll receive a strange look from the chemist when you ask for a few of them!

    Heading up to Exmouth next week for the month, so sorry in advance for the updates slowing down. But this is actually the reason for the build (well sort-of) after using a 6m ali boat last year up there, I thought hey I could really do with a nice light trailer-able all-round power boat. So that was quite literally where this all started!

    The idea that something that could handle a BBQ/beers, diving, fishing, wakeboarding (yes I know it'll put up the wake of a jet-ski), tow-ins, beaching, was easy as pie to trail/launch (light weight with single axle trailer), could take up to 6 of us out (when needed), and would also be very easy work with two of us (as 2 of us try to get on the water as much as possible, which is usually a few times a week) would just be the ideal boat.

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    To handle the twist that exists in the bow, it's common to change the diagonal layer angle a bit, so the pieces will lay down better. This typically means you cut one with a pretty dramatic taper in it, so the next one will align to the new angle. It also helps to decrease the width of the pieces, as you near the bow, which decreases the edge tension you have to fight, to get it to land neatly on the stringers.

    Okay, I'm curious, can you post a picture of this filleting tool?

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    Interesting, the strange thing is, the pieces sit well on the stringers and all, it's just that because theyre soo long, and far between the fixings on each stringer, that the would clamp down at the stringer with a 0.1mm glue join, and then at the mid point be up to 0.5-1mm glue join...

    As the pieces twist around too the very point (or corner) kinda lifts half a mil, so just knocked them down with a temp, other than that, it's actually gone really well, so I may do the other side the same... although do you think it would make much of a difference to slightly thin each strip?

    Yeah I'll grab a pic of the tool while using it on Saturday. Hopefully some more of this side finished up too Ha-ha

    Can't really take pics while doing the strips, as after the first few pieces we're both covered in splotches of epoxy (and I have to avoid getting it on my skin at all costs), so protective gear stays on!

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    It depends on the hull, as some are more "kind" than others in this regard. If yours are laying down fairly well, some extra stringers can help or just some extra blocking behind and in between the stringers, to help keep them from being unruly. I just redid a "Carolina" bow type of sport fisher then had stuffed into a bridge and this was necessary, as the dramatic sweeping curves of this type of bow, just make you cuss and drink a lot. I used a lot of epoxy staples between the stringers, to keep the planks from cupping.

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    Interesting weekend over here in the west... Plenty of time spent in the garage! (Priorities yeah?)

    Finished planking one side! Ohhhh what a feeling... Toy... Wait, HARTLEY!

    Finishing the bow sections was the hardest part so far, but wasn't really any more complicated, just had to make sure that it was properly rolled out and fixed correctly to avoid any high or low points, and to make the "fair-est" shape possible, (without distorting it too much).

    Fortunately this has come out really fair, and also with really nice over-hang's top, bottom, and on the stem.

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    For all interested, this is the "lady's leg wax applicator" that we have now been using for filleting, works a treat!

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    When laminating all the sheets we grab a wheel and a metal bar, and roll out over the sheets to make sure that they are really well bonded, you can actually hear and see the bubbles that pop out of the joints as you do it! We do this after putting every fixing in deemed necessary, then clean up after, it's a really small job, but makes me feel incredibly confident about the bonding of the panels. It really shows when we cleaned up the chine edge around the side panels, the glue join hardly varies along the entire chine. Also shows when tap-testing the sheets, as we can't find any points which deviate in sound from nearby points, leading us to think that the bond between the sheets is as good as physically possible. (Well worth a think as, 6 hours work can be improved just a little, with 10 minutes of easy work.

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    Now onto some real pictures, once finished, I cut more strips up to dry-fit the remaining area around the boat, then planed them up perfect ready to fit.

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    Then mixed it up, by cleaning up the current work (instead of starting the other sides planking) as at least the stem had to be done, but we thought, hey, why not clean the rest up while the tools are out, as it'd be a nice change of work!

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    Really happy with the finish, now flush with the transom and chine, glue join clearly visible now, and looks great, also just completely changes the dynamic of the boat.

    Exciting times guys! But, I am going to add something here. Stay safe out there (I mean on the water) there has been a lot of things happen on the water this week and most (not all that would be impossible) could have been avoided with simple cautiousness. No photo, fish or wave is worth your life.

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    Back from holiday a few days ago!

    Only got a day of work in, but hopefully back into full swing this weekend!

    For anyone interested, we had a 6m aluminium boat up North, plenty of diving, spearing, fishing, drinking was had! I've attached a few pics below which have the boat in them (and us with our catches for any fish-o's).

    This boat was the reason I wanted to build a new boat, I basically wanted something with this things practicality but with a few improvements, weight being one, this thing on trailer must way near 2 tonnes, it's big, heavily built, has a huge trailer, huge fuel tank to cope with the huge outboard which is needed to cope with the weight. The next thing I tried to address, was that shocking side entry door and 1 foot wide, 1 foot deep boarding platform which sucks for fishing as someone almost fell out the doorway whilst hooked up! Also, while two of us were trying to get back into the boat because a group of bull sharks were getting a bit fiesty after taking a fish from us, there was no room! I'll also be putting side pockets in along the gun-whales as these were pretty much full the whole time with gear! Being a pain in the backside to re-fuel, I also will have removable fuel tanks (4 x 25L tanks under the floor strapped down) as trailing the boat half an hour just to put fuel in, is not cool. Also thinking about ideas to do a good size hard top, as the small cloth canopy, can only do so much... But if not will look into very large centre mounted canopies. I also have a much greater appreciation for centre consoles now as climbing up and around onto the fore-deck and vice-versa with a fish on the line, was not fun at all... I am also thinking about doing just a centrally located removable slot type door, instead of any type of hinges, as this caught a couple people off guard! Hoping that the seat I build will be able to fit an esky the same size as we had or larger... as we just had to have the thing in the middle of the boat, which just takes up so much space!

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    Hhmmm painted crays - bet they tasted good!

    Looks like it won't be too long until you turn the hull. The thing with finishing the hull is that it feels like you're almost finished but actually it's not even halfway. Still, it's progressing well - are you planning an early summer launch?
    Cheers, Bob the labrat

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    Hello all!

    I'm sure everyone's noticed work slowed, just had a very busy month or so now! Featuring a flooded house, endless work (actual work), car problems (someone bumped into it while I was parked), and a surprising amount of entertaining (gotta eat the fish/cray/prawns sometime... ha-ha).

    But there has been plenty of time put in with the hoop-pine baby!

    Both sides fully planked as of last night!

    This week hopefully will clean up the edges (only for where the new panels are), then some more filling and tidying up, then onto sanding ready to be coated with Innegra and Epoxy.

    Extremely happy with how both sides same out, feels really nice and fair, no gaps visible, and glue joins have come out even tighter this side so we're ecstatic!

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    I honestly can't really believe it... A hull!

    Big-up's to the old man, who's helped heaps through all this! 11/10

    Mr Labr, they are spot on, i wouldn't really rate them any lower than reds, although these have been caught, tailed and vacuum sealed, and I can say the Vacuum sealer was a very worthy investment! All crays and Fish kept perfectly! (Although on a side note we're just about to move some equipment from storage to my house, to keep cray's alive in a 1000l holding tank... fresh is better haha)

    Definitely this summer, I have more free time coming up, early summer would be the goal, but if things come up the best time in Perth is Feb-June so we'll have her done by then!

    Cheer's guys!

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    Sanding Begins!

    Whole boat is looking and feeling a whole lot smoother, still have to fill some screw holes and sand those areas after (and whilst filling I am going to put a small radius of filler to where the bottom planks meet the chines so that has a really nice set of edges to wrap the Innegra around), but almost time to wrap the exterior of the hull! Hoo-ray everything has really come together here.

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    Really looking like a boat now (even if it is capsized ).

    Must say, I'm surprised at the rounded shape at the stern. I would have expected some sort of V all the way to the transom, although of course shallower than toward the bow. Is this common and would it make turning easier?

    There might be someone around here who knows a bit about these things........
    Cheers, Bob the labrat

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    Hahaha, Yeah she's getting there, I don't think I am ready to look at it as one colour yet...

    Yeah, I was caught off guard by just how much the boat rounds off as it reaches the transom, interestingly enough if you put a long straight bar facing directly forwards it sits flush with the bottom all the way till where the stem is. From my knowledge (mostly sailing here) but it would still work very well hydrodynamically as it isn't tortured into the curve, it very gradually builds as the V changes from a steeper angle to a shallower angle.

    Benefits I can see would be added buoyancy in the transom (where all the weight usually ends up), reduced draft of the hull (as if you kept the same buoyancy in the hull you would have to run the planks deeper), the ability to introduce a flatter faster planing section of the hull whilst retaining the deep V at the sides, and at the bow. If anyone want's to add anything or correct me, please feel free to, this is all just from two of us who have toyed with multi-hull racing designs discussing the hull shapes. The more I look at it the more I like it, and am just gobsmacked at what the big man Hartley was able to do for the times!

    Also spent last night coating, filling and flushing every hole on the bottom side of the boat, along with putting a small radius on the turn of the chine. Building the strong back to be able to be canted has made this much easier and less painful on the old back!

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    Beautiful. Well done. Lots of work, but it's all come together fantastically

    I have made a Welsford Setnet dinghy, but I'm the very happy owner of a 1970 ish Hartley flareline, which I bought on eBay for $600 about 6yrs ago. Obviously saved me a lot of work!!

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    Thank you Andrew, it's getting there, just needing to put in more time, but also trying to have a life as-well... Not an easy balance, it either seems to be all work and no play, no work and all play :/

    Nice, gorgeous little boat, I see one of them on the Swan river pretty regularly (with a twin rig), also was the 600$ with a motor?! Solid price

    Doing so much sanding that I can no longer unlock my phone using the fingerprint sensor -.- which is surprisingly annoying...

    Anyway onto business, we got our hands onto some samples of both Innegra 135gsm and Glass in 200gsm and some nice peel ply. I built some little models in timber and shaped them like the chine to see how each would lay out, the final weights, amount of epoxy used, and the strengths of each to see what's worth what!

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    ^ Glass, 200 gsm with peel ply, layed up super nice, didn't use much resin, final weight was significantly lighter than the Innegra

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    ^Innegra, who I must say this stuff looks really nice, and folded around corners nicely, but refused to stick down, I see this as being something that you MUST vacuum bag. It is also 3 x the cost, was not wetting out anywhere near as nice, and was sucking up resin like a $2 hooker in Tijuana. Great stuff, but not feasible for what I am working with. (Good thing we tested up beforehand! save some $$$ and time).

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    Tested the strength of normal ply, glass and innegra, and surprisingly the glass performed awesome, it held together much better and didn't fracture, also produced the least denting, Looks like I know what I am picking up this week

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    As for the boat, everything is filled, sanded flush now, rounded evenly, filleted nicely, and smoothed to the point it's unrecognisable! Painted the transom with epoxy (1 coat) going to paint the rest of the boat with epoxy tonight, ready to glass the boat either Saturday or Sunday! I get the chills just thinking about it ha-ha I'm really going to miss looking at a piece of timber, although i'd love it if when it was painted that you couldn't tell it's timber/home built. The old "looks like the real thing" or "where did you buy that" would be nice to hear after all this work >.<

    Took a heap of pictures guys, so I'll let them do the rest of the talking.

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    Looking beautiful, and it must be very exciting to see how it all comes together.

    No, mine didn't come with an outboard. But I was lucky enough that one of my patients have me a 1970 Evinrude Starflite 135hp outboard that had been owned by one of his aircraft engineers for the previous 20yrs, and this has been extremely reliable for the last 5-6yrs.

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