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16th February 2017, 05:42 PM #1096
Pictures by popular request
By popular request, here are some pix.
A 26" Slack Sellars handsaw
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A Buck and Co panel saw. I think that company was linked to the major hardware wholesaler of a similar name called Buck and Hickman down in the East End of London:
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A 14" Slack Sellars backsaw:
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A 14" Disston backsaw from the "Philada" period. Pre WW1:
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A 12" Tyzack and Turner 14B:
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16" G & T Gray backsaw:
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I really like that one.
I was told this mitre box was a Langdon, but I don't see any markings on it so I will have to investigate further:
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I think the reasoning was based on the saw having engraved on it "Made for Langdon". That may be correct and maybe it's not: Saws and mitre boxes had a habit pf becoming separated.
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The saw is a 22" Disston mitre:
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Well I hope that these meet with the approval of you blokes. These little fellahs decided to come and have a gander at what all the excitement was about just as I finished taking the pix.
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I don't think they truly appreciated what they were looking at (they would have stayed longer) and were more attracted by the old saw till. A little bit of "cupboard love?"
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PaulBushmiller;
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16th February 2017, 09:08 PM #1097
That's not a bad score there Paul.
I really like the G and T backsaw
It looks huge.
I've promised my self my next saw making adventure will be a closed saw handle.
Would I be right in saying that's not your last swap meet.
Cheers Matt
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16th February 2017, 09:55 PM #1098
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17th February 2017, 03:35 PM #1099
I went digging for a little more information on the G & T Gray saw, which is 10ppi with 4" under the 15/16" deep brass back . So it is a fair lump of a saw. You may be able to see in the pix that it has a small hole in the toe end of the back and it is my supposition that at some time it has been used as a mitre saw.
You may recall that mitre saws frequently had this feature so a small nail could be inserted to prevent the saw being accidentally drawn out of the box on the back stroke.
George and Thomas were indeed based in Sheffield. One reference states they were listed among the Sheffield industries as sawmakers between 1849 and 1860 (Swingley Developments). Another says 1849 to 1929 (Backsaw net). Possibly they only made saws up until 1860, but were toolmakers to the later date. This saw of mine would certainly be before 1890 as it features split nuts.
I thought I was going to find a bit more information from Brit on Lumberjocks as Andy (once upon a time Brital on this Forum) is quite the researcher. As it happens there was just a quick reference and he alluded to an 1849 date, but no more than that to back it up. Really the focus was on a Drabble and Sanderson saw that he restored, beautifully I might add. However, if you are up for a digression have a read as Andy tells a really good yarn:
Saw Talk #7: Drabble and Sanderson 14" Backsaw Restoration - by Brit @ LumberJocks.com ~ woodworking community
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18th February 2017, 07:24 PM #1100
Bummer Paul we went Saturday meeting up with Old croc who was down from Townsville.
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18th February 2017, 08:22 PM #1101
Ray
That's a shame. I could have brought along your aluminium slab. Looks like you made a good haul yourself.
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19th February 2017, 12:51 PM #1102SENIOR MEMBER
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19th February 2017, 01:02 PM #1103
Thanks Peter
That I think explains the confusion of the two dates, but what distinguishes the early saws from the later saw?
Clearly I should look into Simon Barley's book.
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21st February 2017, 01:24 PM #1104SENIOR MEMBER
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Paul, a couple of pictures of my 14" saw, as yet untouched by the restorer's wand:
The mark is probably dated to c1870-1880, so close in date to yours
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The handle is pretty similar, now just need to find the split nut... will check out my odds and ends
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21st February 2017, 02:08 PM #1105
Peter
Thanks for the info. Let me know if you need a split nut. I can help.
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21st February 2017, 02:23 PM #1106
I am also putting in a request for Simon Barley's book for my next birthday. I had planned on cancelling all future birthdays to halt the ageing process, but I will now have to defer that for another year as that book looks too important!
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21st February 2017, 08:26 PM #1107
Paul,
Can we get a two for one deal on Simons barleys book.
I think I'm becoming a saw geek.
I can't believe I just wrote that.
O Dear
Cheers Matt
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22nd February 2017, 08:18 AM #1108
Matt
The book looks to be a classic work and I will definitely be working towards obtaining a copy. If you are definitely interested, send me a PM and we can discuss further there and not incur the wrath of the digression police .
I think two copies for the price of one may be a trifle hopeful. But there may be some savings to be had on shipping. I have not looked into it other than to say in principle I would be quite happy to combine our geeky efforts.
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22nd February 2017, 08:35 AM #1109SENIOR MEMBER
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For those interested, details of Simon's book are here:
British Saws & Saw Makers from 1660 by Simon Barley - now also in hardback
You should also look at Ray Gardner's site:
Introduction
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22nd February 2017, 12:08 PM #1110
Gentlemen,
Barley has two books out. The first (2014) is the most informative, a pretty comprehensive botany of British saws. Of its' 731 pages the majority (pp. 103-670) is an annotated listing of British saw makers.
Pages 5-22 cover my area of interest, the making of saws, but without much useful detail.
The smaller volume (2016) is nice because it has color pictures. It presents a small amount of information that's not covered in the first book.
Both are extremely well written and edited, in sharp contrast to many woodworking texts.
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