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    Thanks again for the info Ron.

    That will allow me to start with a single man set up, and then gear up when I need to allow for multiple users. Bonus being not having to upgrade DE itself, just the main delivery pipe.

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    Question Shed Layout

    I jumped onto SketchUp and have come up with the following layout:
    SketchUp - Top.jpg
    SketchUp - Iso.jpg

    Idea being, inbound/outbound + timber/board storage on the right side of the shed (roller doors), followed by machining area, then assembly & finish area on the left. Certain machines will be on mobile bases to move around when necessary.
    Sub board will be on the top right corner, next to the timber storage.

    Hopefully this should keep the ducting fairly short.

    Anything I'm missing or should reconsider?

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    Just a couple of comments on your layout.
    I placed my CV in the left hand rear corner and it seems to work well for pipe layout. Your position would work but it limits crosscutting on the mitre saw.
    Mitre saw should be in centre of longest wall for cross cutting long planks etc.
    Bandsaw needs access from LHS and your Drum sander is in the way. Perhaps swap them.
    Ron

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    I would consider the ones that are on mobile bases will be less mobile once hooked up to ducting, it will become a pain to use these machines with ducting installed and you may end up not hooking it up for the short period that you will use the machine. The jointer will have to be moved to use it from its location. Flexi ducting isn’t that flexible, the shorter the better for flow. Also consider infeed and outfeed from each machine, running a 3 metre length through the thicknesser etc...

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    Hi Junkie

    I am doing similar to you at this point in time. I see that you have painted your floor with Epoxy. Can you tell me what system/epoxy you used. I am looking to do the same thing as it is a lot better for presentation and also helps with lighting.

    Graham

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    Hi Graham,

    No worries, the epoxy system used was Hychem SF 20 from Hychem (head office in Sidders). It's a 3 step process i.e. primer (Hychem E 100 Primer), then 2 coats of the SF 20. I had already acid washed the concrete slab a couple of months prior to applying the epoxy system, to remove the fine concrete dust.

    FYI - I chose an off white pigment, but there are many colours to choose from. It has definitely brightened things up and no more concrete dust to deal with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronboult View Post
    Just a couple of comments on your layout.
    I placed my CV in the left hand rear corner and it seems to work well for pipe layout. Your position would work but it limits crosscutting on the mitre saw.
    Mitre saw should be in centre of longest wall for cross cutting long planks etc.
    Bandsaw needs access from LHS and your Drum sander is in the way. Perhaps swap them.
    Ron
    Thanks for that Ron.
    I had originally planned for the DC to go in the top right hand corner, to keep it away from the assembly/finish area (noise etc. even though it will be in it's own enclosure) but was trying to shorten the ducting by moving it to the 'halfway' mark. I agree that the mitre saw area is now compromised...
    Is your CV in an enclosure or outside?

    Re bandsaw - I was planning to make it mobile and then move it out from the wall to use or when the drum sander was in use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cal View Post
    I would consider the ones that are on mobile bases will be less mobile once hooked up to ducting, it will become a pain to use these machines with ducting installed and you may end up not hooking it up for the short period that you will use the machine. The jointer will have to be moved to use it from its location. Flexi ducting isn’t that flexible, the shorter the better for flow. Also consider infeed and outfeed from each machine, running a 3 metre length through the thicknesser etc...
    Re reduced mobility - very true Cal. I had hoped that I could get away with moving the jointer/thicknesser combo and bandsaw when needed.

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    If you do your sound insulation properly on your system the sound of the air running into dust ports and through the ducting will be significantly louder than that emanating from the DC. The you cannot do anything about the air noise if you need maximum levels of extraction, but if you don't need max flow eg drill press and you have a VFD on your CV then you can dial the impeller speed back to reduce the flow and this will make things much quieter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Junkie View Post
    I had originally planned for the DC to go in the top right hand corner, to keep it away from the assembly/finish area (noise etc. even though it will be in it's own enclosure) but was trying to shorten the ducting by moving it to the 'halfway' mark. I agree that the mitre saw area is now compromised....
    If you use a CV the length of ducting has a 4th order effect on air flow and in your size shed I would not worry at all about ducting length.

    The elephants in the corner are
    - the port sizes and air intakes on machines
    - the the over use of flexy
    - number and type of junctions
    - then comes duct length

    The design of a ducting system for a CV in a small shed should use the above priorities. Using more ducting to eliminate extra junctions is usually worth it. Even using more ducting to make it look tidy won't matter that much.

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    CNC machines are dirty animals so I would have it as close to the DC if I could. The air compressor's illustrated size suggest that it isn't going to be moved around. If that is the case I would put it on a high stand or shelf hung on the wall/ceiling in the corner over the miter saw or on top of the lumber racks. You get back floor space and you would only need to access it for oil changes. The tank drain can be replaced with a length of hose to a quarter turn valve for easy draining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QC Inspector View Post
    The air compressor's illustrated size suggest that it isn't going to be moved around. If that is the case I would put it on a high stand or shelf hung on the wall/ceiling in the corner over the miter saw or on top of the lumber racks. You get back floor space and you would only need to access it for oil changes. The tank drain can be replaced with a length of hose to a quarter turn valve for easy draining.
    Given you have the space outside consider putting the compressors outside under a weatherproof cover as that gets rid of the noise inside the shed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobL View Post
    If you do your sound insulation properly on your system the sound of the air running into dust ports and through the ducting will be significantly louder than that emanating from the DC. The you cannot do anything about the air noise if you need maximum levels of extraction, but if you don't need max flow eg drill press and you have a VFD on your CV then you can dial the impeller speed back to reduce the flow and this will make things much quieter.

    If you use a CV the length of ducting has a 4th order effect on air flow and in your size shed I would not worry at all about ducting length.

    The elephants in the corner are
    - the port sizes and air intakes on machines
    - the the over use of flexy
    - number and type of junctions
    - then comes duct length

    The design of a ducting system for a CV in a small shed should use the above priorities. Using more ducting to eliminate extra junctions is usually worth it. Even using more ducting to make it look tidy won't matter that much.
    Excellent advice, as always BobL! Thank you muchly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QC Inspector View Post
    CNC machines are dirty animals so I would have it as close to the DC if I could.
    I'm hoping my 'small' CNC it won't be as dirty as the big Biesse's I've used over the years, but I take your point.

    Quote Originally Posted by QC Inspector View Post
    The air compressor's illustrated size suggest that it isn't going to be moved around. If that is the case I would put it on a high stand or shelf hung on the wall/ceiling in the corner over the miter saw or on top of the lumber racks. You get back floor space and you would only need to access it for oil changes. The tank drain can be replaced with a length of hose to a quarter turn valve for easy draining.
    Yeah, the illustrated size includes an enclosure for the compressor but it definitely won't be mobile. I hadn't though of locating it off the ground...
    I have been toying around with extending the mitre saw station and putting it under that. You've definitely given me something to think about, thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobL View Post
    Given you have the space outside consider putting the compressors outside under a weatherproof cover as that gets rid of the noise inside the shed.
    After the last few day's replies, I have been looking at options outside, but it's in the "too-hard-basket" right now... Drainage, fencing and keeping the neighbours happy need to be factored in. But it has given me a few ideas for the future..

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    Default Shed Layout V2

    Thinking about what everyone has said over the past few days (thanks once again), I have moved a few things around and now have this:
    SketchUp - Top -CV on EastWall.jpg

    The 'salmon' and yellow areas still need to be tweaked, as I still need to consider locations for clamps; glue stations etc.
    At least I'll be able to run a large duct down the centre of the shed, and not worry about the overall height of the DC enclosure as there is plenty of head room.

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