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    I was shoveling some gravel this morning and it all got too much so I took some time off and looked into the evolution (I am not going down the degenerative path) of the ubiquitous D8/D-8.

    It's origins can be found in the No.80 introduced in 1874, but it quickly morphed into the D8 around 1880 (Source: Disstonian Institute) The examples below date from the 1896 to 1917 period where the medallion featured the word "PHILADA." The top saw screw is smaller than the other three on a 26" saw

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    These saws date fro 1917 - 1940 by the medallion and feature "PHILA", but are in the later half of that era because they are D-8s, which came into being after the rationalisation of 1928. Thesaw screws are all the same size.

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    This saw has nickel-plated, steel saw screws but full size. scews with the 1" medallion. It also says "USA" on the medallion as do the succeeding pix.

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    These two saws at first glance are the same and from the era 1947 - 1953. They both have nickle-plated saws screws, but have the smaller size screw and the smaller 13/16" medallion. The saw on the left has a medallion with the perimeter rounded on both sides while the other saw has more of a "D" shape to the perimeter which would make it earlier.

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    The last saw is from the 1953 - 1955 period

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    Also I have to say that the "blockyness" of these saws is not so pronounced as I had first thought. In fact it seems that they always tended towards that. It is only the fourth pic above that shows a saw with the type of "curviness" we cherish (in saws that is), although it is a little damaged as you can see. One other giveaway to the later saws is that at some point after WW2 the applewood handles gave way to an unknown hardwood and were either coloured to look like apple or retained the colour of the particular wood used.

    One other thing I would add about the D-8 is that it is an "honest" saw with little in the way of pretention. It was made in lightweight (narrow) versions as well as the regular (full width) models. It always seems to be a good saw.

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    Paul - it's a pretty decent collection of saws when you can go to your container & nonchalantly pull out a series of a brand that is not even your main 'collection' brand to illustrate handle 'evolution' over a 60 year period!

    Though since we are into words & meanings, I had to think about your use of 'evolution' rater than 'degeneration' for a process that made a species (handles) less fit for survival. However, on reflection, evolution can go that way, of course, which is how species become extinct, so it's ok.

    Vale Disston......
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    They were on one of the racks destined for restoration and resale. There was another rack, but I didn't go through that one!

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    Sounds like a form of degenerate racking too me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushmiller View Post
    One other thing I would add about the D-8 is that it is an "honest" saw with little in the way of pretention. It was made in lightweight (narrow) versions as well as the regular (full width) models. It always seems to be a good saw.

    Regards
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    Thanks for the pictures, Paul. I've been using one of those 'blocky-handled' saws around the backyard for the sort of work you wouldn't want to insult nice saws with, and found it to be surprisingly useable.
    The later saws again, maybe 70s and 80s ?, that have a very light 'pine-y' handle are not nice to use, in my opinion - although I guess quite a few of the same-era Sandviks fall into that category too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simplicity View Post
    Sounds like a form of degenerate racking too me.
    Matt

    I don't think we should get into racks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pmcgee View Post
    Thanks for the pictures, Paul. I've been using one of those 'blocky-handled' saws around the backyard for the sort of work you wouldn't want to insult nice saws with, and found it to be surprisingly useable.
    The later saws again, maybe 70s and 80s ?, that have a very light 'pine-y' handle are not nice to use, in my opinion - although I guess quite a few of the same-era Sandviks fall into that category too.
    Cheers,
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    Sandviks are a strange breed. Good steel, but not tapered, and ugly block handles, despite dragon carving or equally unappealing plastic handles. There is one exception that had a steel plate on the handle. I think it may have been the 280: Possibly it only became passable because the steel plate covered most of the cheek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushmiller View Post
    ..... There was another rack, but I didn't go through that one! .....
    Now I'm even more impressed!

    Seems like a significant proportion of the world's remaining 'proper' handsaws is sequestered in a field of containers in a small town in inner western in Qld. I hope it's heritage-listed.....


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    Well, I just sharpened both saws and they cut well so will be users.
    I am learning, slowley.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pagie View Post
    Well, I just sharpened both saws and they cut well so will be users.
    Pagie,

    We need close up pics,and cut lines in timber!
    Come on you know the un written rules no pics didn’t happen.

    Cheers Matt,

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    ok tomorrow.
    I am learning, slowley.

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