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12th December 2018, 11:26 AM #46GOLD MEMBER
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By cutting on the front you spray the dust down and into a box to collect it for easy cleanup.
I also like the way that they use what appears to be a stock ali extrusion as a guide bar and the chainsaw mount doesn't lose any cutting depth.
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12th December 2018, 11:31 AM #47
Crikey, even the first one is nearly 5 grand (ex VAT).....errr, that's 5 Grand in Euros....
The bigger one is double the price for some reason, which would pretty much rule that one out
Free shipping within Germany though.
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12th December 2018, 11:46 AM #48
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12th December 2018, 12:02 PM #49
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12th December 2018, 07:43 PM #50
? How do you figure that, Brett? Whenever I use the top on my chainsaw (as in under-cutting a log, for e.g.), the chips fly forward & spew off the tip of the bar. Cutting on the bottom pulls them back (towards the drive sprocket). So much so that if you rip with the bar laid too low along the grain, the long shavings that come off can get pulled into the sprocket cowling & can stall it. Just had that very problem a couple of days ago, ripping some green Jacaranda!
I can't see why you can't choose whichever side of the bar you want to use, by either pushing or pulling it along the guide. When you cut with the bottom of the bar, as per normal, the saw should pull itself into the cut to some extent. If you push it, cutting with the top side, you'll have to apply down-pressure or it will want to climb out. I think you are going to need to push down on the saw to keep it riding on that angular guide, anyway, but I'd try it both ways if it were me, & see which way works best....
Cheers,IW
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12th December 2018, 08:39 PM #51
the reason might be that it is twice as heavy (44.2 kg) and has twice the power -- 2 x 3000W motors. (something I didn't pick up earlier, the big one is two phase -- "At the core of the MAFELL ZSX-TWIN Ec are the two 3000-Watt single-phase motors. They run at the same time on two 230 V phases of the three-phase electric power system." )
If that's too much trouble, it looks like the 400 mm cut saw also comes in a 3000 W (= 4HP) version https://www.klokow-gmbh.de/en/Tools/...Ec-400-HM.html still almost 6000 Euros (about 4800, before VAT)
at those prices, the Mafell saws make the 300 mm Festool at 1125 Euro (including 19% VAT) look like a steal https://www.klokow-gmbh.de/en/Tools/...ge-IS-330.htmlregards from Alberta, Canada
ian
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12th December 2018, 08:46 PM #52
"I can't see why you can't choose whichever side of the bar you want to use, by either pushing or pulling it along the guide. When you cut with the bottom of the bar, as per normal, the saw should pull itself into the cut to some extent. If you push it, cutting with the top side, you'll have to apply down-pressure or it will want to climb out. I think you are going to need to push down on the saw to keep it riding on that angular guide, anyway, but I'd try it both ways if it were me, & see which way works best....
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Ian
I agree.
My own chainsaw guide rail holds the saw so it cannot jump out of the cut, but is intended to be pulled and cutting at anything far removed from 45 degs to the timber is very difficult. The chain needs to be super sharp needless to say.
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PaulBushmiller;
"Power tends to corrupt. Absolute power corrupts, absolutely!"
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12th December 2018, 09:53 PM #53
Both the ones I looked at had riving knives that looked integral to the sled. Considering the way at least one mounted the saw, via the bar nuts, there's only one way it can cut: top of the bar.
Unless you could remove and/or swap around the riving knife... but I've seen nothing to indicate that.
Not that this helps Fletty in any way. Sorry!
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12th December 2018, 10:08 PM #54
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13th December 2018, 06:44 AM #55
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13th December 2018, 07:47 AM #56
It's OK Brett, I have to confess to putting both chains & bandsaw blades on backwards a couple of times. Fortunately, the mistake was quickly spotted during the necessary adjustments, so haven't ever got to the stage of firing up the saw with a bass-ackward blade. Not sure which way the chips would fly in that case - most likely nowhere.......
Cheers,IW
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13th December 2018, 08:44 AM #57
I was at Ag Quip one year and as we walked past a chainsaw stand that had a slabbing device set up, one of my children muttered
"Chain's on back to front"
and kept walking without breaking stride. He was about fifteen at the time.
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13th December 2018, 02:37 PM #58
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13th December 2018, 07:15 PM #59GOLD MEMBER
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yeah, agreed, would love an excuse for a visit (last one was aborted mid trip) so we can almost have an ol-fashioned barn raising!
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13th December 2018, 09:35 PM #60
Forget the BARN raising........ tonight I’m in the mood for HELL raising ?
I hearby commit to the Loyal Order Of Forumites (LOOF) that I will not lift them (*) on my own but will get my act together to the extent that I will have all necessary equipment, beer, wine and sangers gathered for a good old fashioned hell-raise in the new year?
* this does not exclude me cutting short lengths to trial the milling jig before the brethren arrivea rock is an obsolete tool ......... until you don’t have a hammer!
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