CoronaVirus ==> Empty Shelves

**Bushmiller** · 10th April 2020, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by NeilS

All opinions are welcome, just be prepared for responses that don't share your opinions.

As long as we play the ball and not the person, and abide by the forum rules, then it is fair play, IMO.

But, also keep in mind that many of our opinions come out of our values and any attack on those feels like an attack on us personally. We all need to be respectful of other forum members' values (which are rarely stated, but implied, correctly or not) even if we don't share those values. If we concentrate on ideas we avoid trampling on other's values. If done politely, dumping on an idea is not an attack on that person's values.

The places to challenge values is elsewhere, like in political movements, think tanks, religious outfits, ethics committees and in my, and possibly in your, family...

Neil

Thanks for bringing us back on track. There is little I could add to your ethics, but there are a few points I would mention as a result of this thread. I should point out to begin with that I am not a creature of the modern social world in so far as I don't use a mobile phone and I do not participate on Facebook, Twitter or whatever other social forum there is available out there. I only participate on the Woodwork Forums, although I am a member of another two or three. I am reminded once a year that I belong to these when I receive an email reminder that say I have become one year older (thanks a bundle). Actually I don't mind at all. Every day you wake up is a bonus a colleague of mine at work used to say.

So to all intent and purpose this Forum is my internet social world and an extension of my woodworking interests. I raise and participate on this section on subjects that catch my attention. It is and I have to emphasise this, "Nothing to do with Woodwork." It is not compulsory to visit this section and nor is it compulsory to continue visiting. Anybody can "unsubscribe" so they don't continue to receive email notifications.

With regard to this particular debate I believe it has been allowed to continue, despite the political connotations at times and despite the testiness we have seen (actually I think this is understandable owing to the serious nature of the subject, although it would have been better if it had not occured) because it is a world wide issue. It is on the same level as a world war, but without the hand to hand combat. Strictly speaking is does not comply with the Forum regulations so my thanks to the moderators for allowing this despite everything.

I would like to tell you that I have never been guilty of transgressing the rules of the Forum, but that would not be true. I congratulate those who have stepped back and moderated their language as that is easier said than done. I can absolutely forgive that. I find it more difficult to forgive deliberate baiting and otherwise mischievous behaviour. A little banter is quite acceptable. I like the occasional digression (if that becomes illegal I would have to delete half my posts) and I like some humour to lighten the mood when everything starts to get a bit fractious.

Something that I particularly take from discussions in this section of the Forum and this thread especially is the wide range of background that the participants have and the skills they bring to the debate. I am wiser than I was because of your contributions, your web links, your viewpoints and your opinions.

Keep informing us all.

Regards
Paul

**FenceFurniture** · 10th April 2020, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by Bushmiller

I am wiser than I was because of your contributions, your web links, your viewpoints and your opinions.

Yes, I have been better informed, and therefore better prepared as a result of many of the posts in this thread.

**woodPixel** · 10th April 2020, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by Bushmiller

How can he have misled his nationed so disastrously?

Demagogue - Wikipedia

Because, simply, he is a demagogue.

He is dangerously irrational, disastrously incompetent, a kiss-up kick-down manager and profoundly stupid.

He represents the collective total of the very worst traits of Americanism.

What a shameful, deeply shameful, episode that democracy has suffered.

**Greg Ward** · 10th April 2020, 06:11 PM

Don't know if any of you have seen the ABC comedy skit on corona virus armchair experts, their degree gained in 2 days from a study of Wikipedia, their knowledge broad and their competence unalloyed.
Worth a look

**FenceFurniture** · 10th April 2020, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by woodPixel

He is dangerously irrational, disastrously incompetent, a kiss-up kick-down manager and profoundly stupid.

He represents the collective total of the very worst traits of Americanism.

But other than that he's a stable genius?

**woodPixel** · 10th April 2020, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by NeilS

The places to challenge values is elsewhere, like in ... my, and possibly in your, family...

This is why Festivus was invented! Festivus - Wikipedia

Specifically, there is Airing_of_Grievances and Feats_of_Strength

This lets the wind out of a lot of peoples sails

**woodhutt** · 10th April 2020, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by GraemeCook

Not quite true. Bush served the maximum allowable two terms of four years.

Quite right Graeme. I should have said it was the Republicans who failed to get their nominee elected following Dubbya, probably as a result of his poor performance. I stand corrected. Pete

**FenceFurniture** · 10th April 2020, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by woodhutt

Quite right Graeme. I should have said it was the Republicans who failed to get their nominee elected following Dubbya, probably as a result of his poor performance. I stand corrected. Pete

Pete, that was John McCain and I think he would have made a good president - like Romney he was a decent human being. I suspect it was his running mate that did a lot of damage to the campaign - Sarah Palin came across as an airhead. AND they were up against Obama & Biden who got 53% of the vote and 365/538 college votes (those figures were reduced slightly in 2012 against Romney).

One thing I remember about McCain was that at a rally, one of his supporters started slagging off Obama, and he said "I won't have that M'am, he's a good man."

**NeilS** · 10th April 2020, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by Greg Ward

Don't know if any of you have seen the ABC comedy skit on corona virus armchair experts, their degree gained in 2 days from a study of Wikipedia, their knowledge broad and their competence unalloyed.
Worth a look

Here it is. Select the Thursday 9/4/2020 episode. It's near the end and starts at 29min.

7.30 : ABC iview!

And, yes, very funny!

**NeilS** · 10th April 2020, 06:49 PM

This 30sec clip presents the argument for distancing very succinctly, I thought.

YouTube

**GraemeCook** · 10th April 2020, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by NeilS

This 30sec clip presents the argument for distancing very succinctly, ....

Or "... Madam, if you can smell the phart then you are standing too damn close."

**riverbuilder** · 10th April 2020, 08:09 PM

The thing I’ve found with this forum, after becoming more active and interested in the past few months, is that there’s no compulsion to read anything, unlike social media platforms like Facebook, which decide for you what posts you see, which is one reason why I deleted it. If you don’t want to read a thread here, simply don’t, there’s plenty of others to read through, and almost 20 years of past threads and other information to look at. What I do like, is that when you ask a question for information, there’s a great range of scope of different experience coming back in the answers, sometimes the most obvious and sensible things come from people who are relatively new to the whole hobby(?) and the forum. I like the fact that newbies are welcomed in and treated with respect, after all, we all had to start somewhere, whether it was last week or, like me, when I was old enough to walk.
Everyone stay safe and enjoy the camaraderie we have here, it’s quite unique. Peter.

**Bushmiller** · 10th April 2020, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by GraemeCook

Or "... Madam, if you can smell the phart then you are standing too damn close."

I note that Fence Furniture has requested pix for this post. Hopefully "Madam" is easy on the eye. As to the offending flatulence, I think it will be difficult in pix to capture the essence.

Regards
Paul

**FenceFurniture** · 10th April 2020, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by Bushmiller

As to the offending flatulence, I think it will be difficult in pix to capture the essence.

Not if you have a cigarette lighter handy.

**Bushmiller** · 10th April 2020, 11:39 PM

Originally Posted by FenceFurniture

Not if you have a cigarette lighter handy.

Now that would be an emission worth a pic request.

Regards
Paul

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