Thread: CoronaVirus ==> Empty Shelves

As a retired burgler I can assure you that plenty of men don’t wash their hands after going to the toilet, number 2’s included

Is it true that in SA they've introduced new random breath testing? But for Covid19, not booze? Is it also true that all the new booze busses include an ICU?

I'm curious...how does a burglar know that? (not that I'm doubting what you say...)

Originally Posted by Slave

As a retired burgler I can assure you that plenty of men don’t wash their hands after going to the toilet, number 2’s included

That should be burgler

Originally Posted by Slave

That should be burgler

American dictionary spell checker...

Originally Posted by Greg Ward

Remember when we were predicting 100,000 deaths in Australia

Nobody on this thread was predicting that without giving the qualification.... "unless significant steps are taken."

CoronaVirus ==> Empty Shelves

But, thankfully Australia did take the necessary steps to avoid that worst case scenario against a push back from some quarters (well much less than that) of the media.

Originally Posted by NeilS

Nobody on this thread was predicting that without giving the qualification.... "unless significant steps are taken."

CoronaVirus ==> Empty Shelves

But, thankfully Australia did take the necessary steps to avoid that worst case scenario against a push back from some quarters (well much less than that) of the media.

There are a whole lot of factors that allowed us to escape this. We've been lucky. Don't give all the credit to "significant steps"

Originally Posted by NeilS

But, thankfully Australia did take the necessary steps to avoid that worst case scenario against a push back from some quarters (well much less than that) of the media.

As well as from some on this forum.

Prof Paul Kelly (Dep CMO) is not ruling out making downloading their tracking app compulsory. "I think we'll start with it being voluntary and see how it goes." he said in response to a journalist asking him if it could become compulsory. PPK is no doubt only acting from a public health point of view, and may not be seeing the potentially sinister side of the idea.

My partner has lived through the various Police State/Military Juntas of Argentina in the 70s and 80s, and understandably she is not at all happy about it.

Some questions that I can think of:

• What guarantee do we have that the data will not be used for anything else? Certainly mobile phone movements can currently be traced, but that requires a warrant or court order AFAIK.
• What guarantee do we have that this is not the thin end of the surveillance wedge, and that the surveilling will not continue after the pandemic crisis is finished because Mr Potato Head can now track us all?
• What guarantee do we have that this golden opportunity to turn it into an Australia Card on steroids will not be taken?
• Do they really need that data, given that Australia is more or less leading the western world in controlling the virus?

I will wait to see what answers we can get to those or similar questions before I decide one way or another, but atm I am very sceptical of trusting a Govt of any flavour with that sort of data.

How do you all feel about the Govt knowing where you are at any given time?

Originally Posted by ian

What is scary, at least for me, is that according to a radio interview with a Canadian virologist on CBC this afternoon (Thursday April 16) the rate of false negatives INCREASES from 10% to 30% as the duration of the infection increases.

Ian

That makes me wonder if it is a result of mutation. Around the world the virus is not exactly the same because of at least three mutations, but I don't know the details ( or exact numbers of mutations ) and I don't know how the tests are conducted and the criteria that is examined.

Regards
Paul

Originally Posted by FenceFurniture

Prof Paul Kelly (Dep CMO) is not ruling out making downloading their tracking app compulsory. "I think we'll start with it being voluntary and see how it goes." he said in response to a journalist asking him if it could become compulsory. PPK is no doubt only acting from a public health point of view, and may not be seeing the potentially sinister side of the idea.

My partner has lived through the various Police State/Military Juntas of Argentina in the 70s and 80s, and understandably she is not at all happy about it.

Some questions that I can think of:

• What guarantee do we have that the data will not be used for anything else? Certainly mobile phone movements can currently be traced, but that requires a warrant or court order AFAIK.
• What guarantee do we have that this is not the thin end of the surveillance wedge, and that the surveilling will not continue after the pandemic crisis is finished because Mr Potato Head can now track us all?
• What guarantee do we have that this golden opportunity to turn it into an Australia Card on steroids will not be taken?
• Do they really need that data, given that Australia is more or less leading the western world in controlling the virus?

I will wait to see what answers we can get to those or similar questions before I decide one way or another, but atm I am very sceptical of trusting a Govt of any flavour with that sort of data.

How do you all feel about the Govt knowing where you are at any given time?

At last, a glint of gold in the bottom of the pan... from FenceFurniture! Who would have guessed? Keep it up mate!

Originally Posted by FenceFurniture

How do you all feel about the Govt knowing where you are at any given time?

Under normal circumstances, no way!

Data security, proscribed uses and a legislated sunset clause would be prerequisites before I would be prepared to consider giving my location in return for a well justified benefit for myself and others.

The right to exit and for all data to be deleted would also be a consideration.

And, the responsible minister would be another factor in my decision making.

Originally Posted by NeilS

Under normal circumstances, no way!

Data security, proscribed uses and a legislated sunset clause would be prerequisites before I would be prepared to consider giving my location in return for a well justified benefit for myself and others.

The right to exit and for all data to be deleted would also be a consideration.

And, the responsible minister would be another factor in my decision making.

But if you're not doing anything criminal why would you be concerned...?

Originally Posted by Tccp123

But if you're not doing anything criminal why would you be concerned...?

...playing the devil's advocate obviously (just in case it wasn't obvious)