Thread: CoronaVirus ==> Empty Shelves

Originally Posted by NeilS

So far not a concern in over seventy years, but then who knows what changes in the law might turn me into one.

Good answer

Originally Posted by Tccp123

...playing the devil's advocate obviously (just in case it wasn't obvious)

"Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime" - Lavrentiy Beria

Must be careful here. I remember Howard well. At the end, well.... there you go.

Originally Posted by NeilS

On the other 'hand', holding the siphon python is another matter. That depends on where it and your hand has been!

Well it's your d!ck and its your soap and you can wash it as fast as you like.

Originally Posted by FenceFurniture

How do you all feel about the Govt knowing where you are at any given time?

On the surface, it seems like a good idea. I personally don't care if the government know where I am though I am technically against it without having any great reason except for 'there is always some greedy bugger with access to power and he is dumb enough to use it for his own personal gain, often at the cost of the great many".

from Virus mobile tracking app may be mandatory | The Canberra Times | Canberra, ACT

It uses Bluetooth to plot people who had spent 15 minutes or more in close proximity to a person with coronavirus.

Today, I have been at work, been to Maccas, KFC (in the shopping center) and the fush n chup shop (at a different shopping center). The app will have registered me working alongside the workmates, but not maccas, kfc or fush n chups because I was in and out quick as a flash each time. I would remember if I was at work for any standard business day, but I wouldn't need to remember because the business will be shut down for 14 days as soon as I get confirmed infected anyway.

so for the most part, the tracking app gains the government SFA with me, because I would be able to tell them I was at work.

however, also from the same above linked article.

Better contact tracing is one of three main benchmarks the government wants to meet before strict restrictions can be lifted.

If I wanted to hang out with mates for an extended period during the day (we can't at the moment), the government will want better tracking/tracing capacity. Which effectively means we have a choice. Go outside and be tracked, or stay in lock down until a vaccine is produced or suitable treatment is discovered. The government wants the economy back up and running, as I'm sure we all do, so do we really have a choice at all? I think not. But it is nice that they pretended to ask.

Originally Posted by Kuffy

If I wanted to hang out with mates for an extended period during the day (we can't at the moment), the government will want better tracking/tracing capacity. Which effectively means we have a choice. Go outside and be tracked, or stay in lock down until a vaccine is produced or suitable treatment is discovered. The government wants the economy back up and running, as I'm sure we all do, so do we really have a choice at all? I think not. But it is nice that they pretended to ask.

The tracking app is in your mobile phone. If you want to meet up with mates then leave your phone at home. Unless they want to make mobile phone ownership and carriage compulsory its all a bit meaningless because people will easily beat the system.

Originally Posted by doug3030

The tracking app is in your mobile phone. If you want to meet up with mates then leave your phone at home. Unless they want to make mobile phone ownership and carriage compulsory its all a bit meaningless because people will easily beat the system.

I just realised the government is smarter than we give them credit for. It's an obvious thing to leave the phone at home. Unbelievably obvious! Even the people that go to the beach when they are not supposed to could figure that one out. So all they have to do is willingly go without Facebook, Instagram, Tiktok etc etc for a few hours. Lol, the government is sneaky clever

Rudd vs. Trump

Three words come to mind... pot, kettle, black

Originally Posted by doug3030

The tracking app is in your mobile phone. If you want to meet up with mates then leave your phone at home. Unless they want to make mobile phone ownership and carriage compulsory its all a bit meaningless because people will easily beat the system.

I have checked my carrier pigeon and it does not appear to have blue tooth capability. Actually I couldn't find a tooth of any colour.

As you have pointed out, if you are truly troubled by the governments ability to know your every move, leave your phone at home: Easy to do unless you subscribe to the clique that would rather have a body part removed than relinquish their mobile phone .

Shouldn't be a problem for SWMBO as half the time, primarily when it is important, she doesn't have her phone with her and the other half of the time the battery is flat. All in all the most immobile and ineffective communication device I know of.

Regards
Paul

Originally Posted by Tccp123

Rudd vs. Trump

Three words come to mind... pot, kettle, black

I wonder how many Democrats actually voted for Trump after the best candidate their own party could offer up was Hillary.

Originally Posted by NeilS

Under normal circumstances, no way!

proscribed uses and a legislated sunset clause would be prerequisites before I would be prepared to consider giving my location in return for a well justified benefit for myself and others.

The right to exit and for all data to be deleted would also be a consideration.

If it's compulsory there'll be no right to exit.

At face value, it's a good idea, but I just can't trust a Govt not to abuse the situation at a later stage. It has absolutely nothing to do with criminal activity - that's a very tired old argument, sometimes used for cheap shots. It is everything to do with the Govt knowing more about me/us than they need to or should. It is also the thin edge of the wedge for a potential shocking abuse of power.

Originally Posted by NeilS

And, the responsible minister would be another factor in my decision making.

What we have to remember about the Minister for Home Affairs is that he is nowhere near as intelligent as he looks. Ask Turnbull. (thanks to Glider for the description, btw). What's to stop them making it the Health Minister's responsibility for the moment, and then transferring it to the Minister for Home Affairs? I mean, really, he thought he was electable as a Prime Minister, such was his grip on reality, and view of himself. That was another bullet we dodged.

Originally Posted by NeilS

Data security,

Neil, that really does deserve a Tccp123 response. HAR HAR HAR!


Sure we can leave our phones at home or off, but that starts to become far less convenient pretty quickly.


Now if it was the New Zealand Govt proposing such an idea.....I think I'd maybe view it differently.

Originally Posted by NeilS

Under normal circumstances, no way!

Data security, proscribed uses and a legislated sunset clause would be prerequisites before I would be prepared to consider giving my location in return for a well justified benefit for myself and others.

The right to exit and for all data to be deleted would also be a consideration.

And, the responsible minister would be another factor in my decision making.

Originally Posted by Tccp123

But if you're not doing anything criminal why would you be concerned...?

leaving your home for other than what is, by the POLICE, deemed to be "necessary" reason has already been defined as a presumed CRIMINAL act.
According to what my son sees on social media, and what the ABC News reports, Waverley with lots of Covid-19 cases has lower rates of Covid-19 enforcement than St Marys where the number of Covid-19 cases is low (to non-existant?) has much higher levels of enforcement.

Originally Posted by NeilS

So far not a concern in over seventy years, but then who knows what changes in the law might turn me into one...

see above

Originally Posted by FenceFurniture

Some questions that I can think of:

• What guarantee do we have that this golden opportunity to turn it into an Australia Card on steroids will not be taken?

You know of course that your Tax File Number is already an "Australia Card" on steroids?
Open a bank account -- quote your TFN or pay a penalty in the form of with holding tax
take out a credit card -- quote your TFN
buy shares in a company -- quote your TFN
apply for a passport -- 3 pieces of ID
buy a mobile phone -- 3 pieces of ID

etc




about the only transaction that doesn't require 3 pieces of personal ID is to become a company director. Go figure.




BTW
all those point to point speed cameras are also tracking and speed checking all vehicles -- it's just that fines are not (yet?) being issued to vehicles other than trucks.

Originally Posted by FenceFurniture

Neil, that really does deserve a Tccp123 response. HAR HAR HAR!

So what happened to "Play the issue and not the man"?

IN CASE ANYONE IS CONFUSED

The Rules:

1. Basically, you can't leave the house for any reason, but if you have to, then you can.

2. Masks are useless, but maybe you have to wear one, it can save you, it is useless, but maybe it is mandatory as well.

3. Stores are closed, except those that are open.

4. You should not go to hospital unless you have to go there. Same applies to the doctors, you should only go there in case of emergency, provided you are not too sick.

5. This virus is deadly but still not too scary, except that sometimes it actually leads to a global disaster.

6. Gloves won't help, but they can still help.

7. There is no shortage of groceries in the supermarket, but there are many things missing when you go there in the evening, but not in the morning. Sometimes.

8, The virus has no effect on children except those it affects.

9, Animals are not affected, but there is still a cat that tested positive in Belgium in February when no one had been tested, plus a few tigers here and there…

10. You will have many symptoms when you are sick, but you can also get sick without symptoms, have symptoms without being sick, or be contagious without having symptoms. Oh, good grief!

11. You can get restaurant food delivered to the house, which may have been prepared by people who didn't wear masks or gloves. But you have to have your groceries decontaminated outside for 3 hours. Pizza too?

12. The virus remains active on different surfaces for two hours, no four - or maybe that was days...

13. The virus stays in the air - well no, or yes, maybe, especially in a closed room, in one hour a sick person can infect ten, so if it falls, all our children were already infected at school before it was closed. But remember, if you stay at the recommended social distance, however in certain circumstances you should maintain a greater distance, which, studies show, the virus can travel further, maybe.

14. We count the number of deaths but we don't know how many people are infected as we have only tested so far those who were "almost dead" to find out if that's what they will die of…...

So there you have it, the rules to the lockdown, in a nutshell.
Hope it helps!!