Thread: Price for timber to drop?

So, what lumber is turned into veneer to make lvl? Presumably a rotary veneer.

Pine
There is a trend to use it for stud framing as well, it is pretty heavy by comparison though to just pine

Thanks Beardy. I hated the idea at the time but when I saw it in person it was pretty convincing.

Even if we were exporting logs of high quality cabinet grade timber. The majority of value is created when the log is transformed from a tree into usable timber. That’s where the bulk of the cost is.
So no we won’t see a price drop.
Lobsters on the other hand... Harris Farms in Sydney had them for $20. Pretty good deal!


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Lobster, our poor guys here lost the market but mate of mine in Kiwiland is laughing all the way past his bank manager, never had it so good, NZ had stitched up a deal with China within days of Aussie rejection.

Originally Posted by Tonyz

Lobster, our poor guys here lost the market but mate of mine in Kiwiland is laughing all the way past his bank manager, never had it so good, NZ had stitched up a deal with China within days of Aussie rejection.

Not surprising considering their PM was and still is a leading light of the communist party in NZ, watch this space......

Originally Posted by rwbuild

Not surprising considering their PM was and still is a leading light of the communist party in NZ, watch this space......

Are you sure? According to Wikipedia the Communist Party of New Zealand was dissolved in 1994, when Ms Ardern was only 13 years of age, and everyone knows Wikipedia is as infallible as trump!
Communist Party of New Zealand - Wikipedia

Nevertheless, we will ... watch this space.... with baited breath.

Jacinda Ardern is leader of the Labour party in NZ. She apparently describes herself as a "social democrat and a progressive"

Not being too well versed in the devious ways of politics I looked up both those descriptions:

Social democracy is a political, social and economic philosophy within socialism^[1] that supports political and economic democracy.

Progressivism is a political philosophy in support of social reform.^[1] Based on the idea of progress in which advancements in science, technology, economic development and social organization are vital to the improvement of the human condition, progressivism became highly significant during the Age of Enlightenment in Europe, out of the belief that Europe was demonstrating that societies could progress in civility from uncivilized conditions to civilization through strengthening the basis of empirical knowledge as the foundation of society.

Having said that many political parties masquerade under a banner that bears little or no resemblance to their title. Almost any communist regime, for example, is not: Normally it is a dictatorship or worse. But communism, so-called, is not the only culprit to hide behind a name. We really only have to look closer to home where our own Liberal party, is actually a conservative party. Arguably, the Labour party too is moving aware from it's origins. Both either suffer or revel in their origins.

But I digress. I don't see the declining export of woodchip having too much effect on our prized timbers. The buildings under construction I see use Blue Pine for the frame and very thin stuff it is too.

Regards
Paul

I’ve been hunting for 100x50 hardwood bearers for my old shed. I need to match the ones that are there.
All that’s available is unseasoned hardwood “within the realms” of 100 x50 ( could be under or over by as much as 10%) and no guarantee re straightness or twist. In fact I was told if I could find less than 40mm bend on a 5.4m stick - grab it.
Most places I have contacted said to view before committing so obviously it’s a wide problem.
A lot of places, including recycled places are closed until tomorrow or next week so I’ll make more enquires next week.

Originally Posted by Lappa

I’ve been hunting for 100x50 hardwood bearers for my old shed. I need to match the ones that are there. ...

In your situation, my first port of call would be the local tip shop, then the one in the next suburb....

Don’t have tip shops

Originally Posted by Bushmiller

Having said that many political parties masquerade under a banner that bears little or no resemblance to their title.

I seem to remember a little German socialist party in the 30s that wasn't very socialist

Gee Wizz, its almost as if we shouldn't have put all our eggs into one basket.....

If I were NZ, I wouldn't be counting on that lobster business lasting too long.

I don't think the motives of the Chinese Gov are as apparent as we assume... nor as "devious"... I'd say look closer to the ground there for their motives rather than a desire to punish Australia. It is being SPUN to be a punishment.... It just so happens we sell the bulk of commodities they use in production. From everything I've read, the people on the front line of Chinese manufacturing are experiencing a WORLD of pain... staggering debt, supply problems, electrical supply issues, government "oversight", arbitrary shutdowns, arbitrary pollution management (based on kneejerk political needs) and debt, debt, debt and a lot more debt....

The South China Morning Post has articles on this daily. Spun, of course, for Wholesome Goodness and Happiness.... but they are front page and telling.

Also, we are far too preoccupied on our own experiences to realise that these "trade conditions for uncooperative countries" are being experienced virtually everywhere else.... every other country is also experiencing the arbitrary nature of these decisions. There are flow on effects for those base products....i.e. PRODUCTS. (Ask a reseller here about GETTING the items they placed an order for 3 months ago....)

It is being reflected in the Futures commodities markets. Sales costs to China are EXPLODING on them. No one trusts them. Everyone is pricing EVERYTHING as a one-time-single-sale deal and it is driving prices sky-high. I'd hate to see what internal pricing is like within China, but we never will, for it is utterly opaque... but for the Factory Floor buyer costs must be going vertical..... along with their debt to cover it.

The problems are within China, not here.

I feel they are 5 heartbeats from a full blown economic coronary.

Interesting read for anyone interested in the whole "Can China sustain this?" thing
Why China is anti-fragile - Asia Times