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3rd February 2022, 12:59 PM #31
Yet another incredibly informative post, Ian, thank you. Underlying Ian's post are the concepts of context and materiality. Some dangers are much more relevant that others.
Originally Posted by IanW
Huon Pine
Down here in Tasmania virtually everyone has and daily uses a Huon pine cutting board, and almost all are raw timber. The few that were once oiled are rarely re-oiled. I have never heard of any adverse comments on the toxicity of those cutting boards.
But Huon pine is, I believe, the only tree in the world that has a neurological condition named after it - "Piners Twitch" and as far as I know it does not have a formal medical name. Work as a piner pit sawing Huon pine, getting covered in resin and breathing pine dust daily for 50 years and you might get "piners twitch". Only those deeply involved in the industry ever got it, and the plaint is now almost extinct.
Make a million cutting boards and you might be at risk.
Epoxy
Forty years ago a mate and I made a cedar laminated dinghy. We used copious amounts of epoxy, minimal ventilation, zero safety gear, not even gloves, and we washed ourselves with copious amounts of acetone. Each night it took a long shower to wash off the smell of epoxy and acetone. We were young, stupid and immortal. Nothing happened for twenty years, then we both slowly started showing sensitivities to epoxy. It slowy accumulates in some people, not all.
When I am exposed to wet or uncured epoxy, I get a minor twitch in my eye - a warning to be very carefull.
When my mate is exposed to wet or uncured epoxy he has a severe reaction. Almost immediately his eyes water, go bloodshot and very itchy. Then he perspires, has breathing difficulties, his hands shake, and a migraine starts and lasts for 3 or 4 days. He cannot go near epoxy!
Our exposures to epoxy were probably similar, but the effect on him is much greater.
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3rd February 2022, 03:05 PM #32
That's how I get out of bed in the mornings
This was an excellent read: Paracelsus - Wikipedia .... Philippus Aureolus Theophrastus Bombastus von Hohenheim .... What a magnificent name!
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3rd February 2022, 06:00 PM #33
While I agree with you, I think I might get sick of re-sharpening it if doing any large amount of Cooktown Ironwood.
GC, I'm always very careful with epoxies for that reason, but I'd be wary of the acetone, too. I once worked with a bunch of chemists, and was told that "If you can smell an organic solvent, you're being poisoned." Obviously, the amount and frequency of exposure matters, but the nose is a very quick pathway to the brain.
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3rd February 2022, 06:32 PM #34
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6th February 2022, 10:01 PM #35Senior Member
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Built a test-and-see router sled this weekend. It worked well. Thanks to those who suggested it for this grain
Used a 1200W plunge and a timbecon surface planning router bit
I found the best compromise of speed and finish quality at 0.7mm
Then on to the other side which needed a lot more levelling - about 6mm in places
This was a pass at 0.9mm
Tested a pass at 1mm and still no tear out
This was a final pass at 0.3mm
All passes were in the same direction
Some minor flex in the sled step down blocks left a pass line but that will sand out quickly when its ready for that
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7th February 2022, 08:52 AM #36
A slight improvement on the thicky, FW...
I've got a suggestion - just polish that piece up & frame it, it would look spectacular & every bit as good as any abstract painting I've seen. But perhaps I'm biased.....
Cheers,IW
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7th February 2022, 10:52 AM #37... Some minor flex in the sled step down blocks left a pass line but that will sand out quickly when its ready for that ...
Flex is always the enemy with router sleds - its amazing how deep the vertical sections must be to almost eliminate it.
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7th February 2022, 06:40 PM #38
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7th February 2022, 10:13 PM #39Senior Member
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Hey thanks Ian, thats not a bad idea . Although this slab is about 400x400x50mm thick it might end up tearing off the wall and putting a hole in the floor. I'd bandsaw it in half if it would fit thru the band saw but only have 300mm capacity. It does give me an idea for a taller, thinner and less wide version. Perhaps more like a wall standing (on the floor) rather than a wall hanging.
My neighbours would like a chopping board-like stand with resin for a large kitchen bench top appliance to sit on. One they saw in some retail outlet was $2000! I said for that price I'd expect a very nice coffee table including legs. They just got married so I said I'd make a nice appliance stand for them for $2000 less than that.
Coffee table may be on the cards at a later stage... perhaps much later
Thanks Graeme. I checked the sled and it does indeed flex on the cross bars by 0.1-0.2ish mm
I can live with that for now
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4th May 2022, 12:32 AM #40Senior Member
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To follow up with a few pics of a finished board it occurred to me some may be interested where this timber came from.
Controlled burns are conducted up here from April to June.
Many of the fires are not planed and occur during the hottest times of the year. Often the areas are expansive blanket burns.
Rather than low and slow burns, the flames of these 'hot fires' frequently extend high into the canopy of established trees whilst also destroying immature growth low on the ground.
This particular ironwood likely endured multiple burns at its base until last year.
These boards were taken from the centre of the truck close to the base.
The stand gifted to the neighbours was made from the board on the right:
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That’s a nice contrast colour used in the epoxy vs timber.
I generally have difficulty getting the swirl patterns looking what I would like, but then I am using West System fast/slow cure and there may be a better alternative. What colour and epoxy did you use?
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4th May 2022, 04:20 PM #42Senior Member
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Epoxy pattern
Hi Cava
I used Composite Warehouse 'River Set' with their pearlescent cobalt blue pigment for this one
I have also used Luciclear casting resin with good results. Both of these as well as many others are suitable for deep pours / slow set.
You have probably found the trick with the swirl pattern is timing when the resin starts to gel. When first pouring the pigment gravitates to the bottom and will only suspend effectively when viscosity increases after some hours - temperature depending.
At the moment I check the pour every half hour and mix again if settling /loss of pattern is evident.
It can be annoying if the pattern looks satisfying but I mix again only to find the new pattern less attractive
If mixing too late after the gelling period the pattern can look contrived and somewhat rubbish.
Anyway, the mixing pattern I use is a combination of deliberate and random upward stir motions scraping the bottom, sometimes dragging pigment streaks away from wood edges, sometimes toward.
If the pour is shallow I use a quick set such as CW's 'Timber Set' epoxy
Theres a member on this forum that does very nice resin boxes who may be able to add more
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