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24th June 2022, 05:23 AM #16GOLD MEMBER
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box is available for relatively reasonable from china - but not reasonable compared to regular lumber or even most turning lumber.
not sure who planted genuine box there or if it was traditional, but that's one of the few places where I've seen it.
It will likely still be a bit damp if you get it and cracking may be a problem. If you see a small board somewhere that could be cut and reoriented with the grain diagonal at about 1/2 of the plane's bed angle (straws pointing "into" the wood the plane is moving toward), that may be a decent idea.
The big single pieces of boxwood that went into really old planes were probably from very large hedgerows being removed or trimmed. like maybe hundreds of years old.
Nothing else is quite the equal of box for boxing.
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25th June 2022, 11:15 AM #17
Thanks. I will see what comes up. It will probably a while till I tackle that one.
It is not that easy to get raw wood into Oz as fas as I know. Iight end up using one of our hard woods here. In the end this plane will not get much use anyway. It is a very big side bead. Not even sure where one would use it at.....
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25th June 2022, 11:33 AM #18GOLD MEMBER
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Architectural features, I would guess. I have a set of slipped beading planes. I think 8 of them. There is about zero chance that I will use the larger four of five, but they look nice.
I don't think box has any protection on CITES but don't know for sure. Your version of the USDA may have pest/bug issues with raw wood coming from elsewhere, though - and probably for good reason.
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26th June 2022, 09:13 AM #19SENIOR MEMBER
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I remember working in a far north sawmill at Mirriwinni [not sure of spelling]and the wall was covered by hand planes for moulding there would have been 100 plus.
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1st July 2022, 07:00 PM #20
Next I went for an easy one. The moving filister sash plane from my grandfather.
That one is English made. According to stamp by the Late Thomas Routledge, 23 Bull St., Birmingham. Owned before by D. Knight. I wonder why "Late Thomas"? Isn't that wording normally used for people who past away? I am sure the plane was not made by a dead person. Maybe somebody can explain that to a non native English speaker? That'd be great.
I could not find anything out further. Other than there was also a Richard Routledge at w3 or 64 Byll St, Birmingham between 1869 and early 20th century. I guess they were related.
I only found online a very similar looking plane from Richard Routledge. That one looked a bit.more sophisticated as the boxing was double dovetailed. Whereas in mine the boxing is comparable simply designed.
Anyway, I only needed to clean it up and sharpen the blade and nicker. I also squared up the sole a little.
I also took the depth stop apart to get all the dirt out and make it work smoother. Interestingly I noticed that they peened a steel sole to the brass of the depth stop. The make must have expected a lot of wear.
Working fine
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2nd July 2022, 09:37 AM #21SENIOR MEMBER
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Boxwood is easy to find in the UK. You'll need to contact the boarder authorities to determine if it can be imported. Or, you can search the world for a cheap boxed molding plane that has a piece you can cannibalize from it. They're easily gotten into the country. I find molding planes here are expensive. It's been cheaper for me to buy them off ebay and have them shipped from the UK than buy them on garbagetree
You have me drooling over the Routledge filister. My favourite plane maker, and your makers mark is from the same era as mine. I have a full set of hollows and rounds in the odd numbers from them and many others. I regularly scour the world for Routledge planes.
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2nd July 2022, 01:06 PM #22Intermediate Member
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Richard Routledge took over the plane making business of Henry Thomas around 1870, which is why your plane stamp reads "Routledge, late Thomas"
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2nd July 2022, 01:42 PM #23
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11th July 2022, 09:33 AM #24
Finished now the scrub plane.
The blade is from Ward and Payne. Cannot really say what age it might be.
The plane body has no makers mark. But from shape I am almost certain it is German made. I assume a lot of German makers imported blades from England at some stage.
For the plane itself I decided to square off the sole and glue on a new one from Chinese Elm. Maybe not the best, but what I had and I can always replace it with a new one once chewed up. I cleaned the body with methylated spirits. After trued the new sole to the side of the body, the body sides were squeaky clean and contrasted the rest of the plane quite a bit. When I cleaned the rest I rubbed the dirt also into the new sides to blend them in and that worked well.
It's now a nice working nifty scrubplane. It is light and works very well. I do like the horn design at the front. It is so easy to just turn it around and also pull it.
I stamped my great great grandfather's initials "KFWM" into the side alongside own mark to connect the family line.
It is about 2" shorter than the scrub plane I made some time back. Here is the great great grandfather alongside his great great grandson [emoji6] Both ready for some heavy work....
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11th July 2022, 01:52 PM #25GOLD MEMBER
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Hi CK. It's amazing what metho can remove but also how it keeps the "patina" that is not dirt. I have often been tempted to try one one of these style planes. Some seem to have a recessed wedge behind the blade and on top of the body, perfect for the webbing between thumb and finger?
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11th July 2022, 03:44 PM #26
True.
They call the wedge thingy a "hand protector". It makes the plane more comfortable. Otherwise the edges of the blade are a bit uncomfortable. They came up around 1930ies. I am retrofitting one to the smoother. Should be done by tonight and post then. I do not feel it is necessary for the scrubplane as it is much slimmer.
I definitely want to explore these planes a bit more. They also came up with a unique adjustment mechanism.
Primus Planes by ECE
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11th July 2022, 09:16 PM #27
Now the smoother is also done.
The iron is a Kirschen iron, by Wilhelm Schmitt and Comp., Remscheid, Germany. The brand still exists as many of you probably know. The company was founded 1858, hence the year on the blade. But I doubt the plane is that old.
It took me a while to flatten and polish the back of the blade just the half inch behind the cutting edge and matching the cap iron. However, there is still about 2" life left in it. I could see where the different steels were fused.
The plane itself is made by J.D.U (Holzwerkzeugfabrik Johann D. Ulland und Söhne, Zwischenahn) founded 1898 and existed till WW2. Not sure.
Anyway, I had to add a new sole in order to close the mouth a little bit. The sole was really worn down. It definitely had a lot of use. I opted for a 5mm sole from some hard wood I had. I was thinking of adding a brass insert infront of the mouth, but for now I leave it as is.
When I tested the plane it felt a bit uncomfortable. I added therefore an extra hand support like more modern German planes since 1930ies have.
For that I turned a piece of Queensland walnut to about 50mm diameter and then cut a piece of with a 45 degrees angle.
Drilled hole and screwed it to the plane body with a threaded insert and an old brass screw I still had. Very comfy now [emoji6]
So now all good to go again.
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19th July 2022, 06:43 PM #28Senior Member
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What a fascinating journey you are on there and no doubt ,very nostalgic.
On the Certificate of apprenticeship, the location was stamped Aurich which is not that far either way from Emden(to the West) or Bremen(East).
Emden Dockyard was established in 1903 .In Bremen, the famous Abeking and Rasmussen(1907) were another key historical shipyard and were turning out a lot of builds of different variety and of high quality. Both are still a going concern today.
Your Great Grandfather was probably in his prime during that period.
A couple of possibilities there to ponder over....
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30th January 2023, 07:24 PM #29Senior Member
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German planes
HI all,
Here is my German plane which has a date
mark in metal of 1876. It has a metal bridge for
the blade to go under and then the wedge fits
in and holds the blade in tight. The bridge has
the word Orig Hieberon it.
The blade has the words Garantie la Qual suss stahl extra 1876.
On each side is metal rivet with the lettering +DRGM+ . Martin.
Martin.IMG_20230129_163913.jpgIMG_20230129_163827_1.jpg
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30th January 2023, 08:05 PM #30
Nice one. I think your plane is made by Heinrich Hieber, Laupheim.
Deutsche Werkzeughersteller und -handler: Heinrich Hieber, Laupheim
1876 is the year when the company was founded. They still do exist under a different name. Now they are a smash repair shop for cars though. I doubt that they even still use planes. Let alone making them
"Orig Hieberon" on the medal would actually be "Original Hieber"
The words on the blade would be "Qualitäts 1A Gussstahl" = "Quality 1A Cast Steel"
"DRGM" stands for "Deutsches Reich Gebrauchsmuster" = "German Reich Utility Model". It is form of protection for the design. Not as strong as a patent though
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