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18th March 2024, 04:33 PM #16
The Kingshott videos are probably still in copyright as well, actually from the look of it a lot of the videos on that channel would be. Copyright is an interesting thing that varies greatly from country to country, and I agree that anyone selling a book that someone or an organisation holds the copyright to is a scumbag (especially if the work in question is still being sold by the copyright holder). On the other hand I would argue sharing a copy of a work that is no longer sold and which the copyright holder no longer pursues any material benefit from, for free, that isn't of a comparable quality to the original published title for the purposes of education is morally okay as long as the person stops doing so should they receive a cease and desist from the copyright holder.
Hypothetically.
That's all I'm going to say about it. I spend too long thinking and talking about access and ethics and things of that nature at work, I really don't want to do it here as well.
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18th March 2024, 05:19 PM #17
Watched his video on special planes today. He got out the 51/52 he made. Very impressive, cast in bronze. He did say that he had been a pattern maker for a time and showed the pattern for it. Really great videos to watch. So enthused just planing a board even after doing it for over 50 years. You cant help but keep watching.
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John
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18th March 2024, 06:09 PM #18
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18th March 2024, 06:21 PM #19
Ian, actually this time I wasn’t stirring the pot,[emoji6]
Jim’s joiner Plane is an absolute stunning beast, an I will be honest I have “ theoretically considered such an undertaking, but I don’t think I will be lapping the soul, but maybe just maybe, scraping the soul flat,
But these are all just words, one I don’t have the materials, two the only things I’ve ever scrapped were my knee caps an that was many decades gone by and that was using the Pavement an my Push bike lol.
The Tool chest thingy, I’ve never had any aspirations too build one, my Toy tools are currently slowly moving out from there storage containers into there new home, an that will be on shelves an cupboards an other thingys but not into a Tool chest, I would forget what I had if they were in one of those.
Cheers Matt.
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18th March 2024, 07:18 PM #20
Matt are you ok? You're not suffering from some severe ailment or something.....?
But my boy, that's the whole point of having a tool chest/cupboard! As long as I remember to put things away each night (which I dutifully do at least one night in every 7 or so), I know roughly where everything is. Actually, I know exactly where everything is because I went to great pains to make cut-outs to fit everything, so I can see at a glance if someone hasn't has come home for the night & isn't hiding amongst the shavings. It's saved small tools from ending up in the garbage with the sweepings on numerous occasions. As I get older & more absent-minded, I'm really glad I prepared for it. Of course that won't help when I start forgetting what the tools are for, but we'll jump off that bridge when we get there.....
Cheers,IW
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19th March 2024, 07:37 AM #21
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19th March 2024, 08:20 AM #23SENIOR MEMBER
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19th March 2024, 08:25 AM #24SENIOR MEMBER
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19th March 2024, 09:18 AM #25
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19th March 2024, 12:31 PM #26
Was that gorgeous tool chest made by Jim Kingshott during his apprenticeship built to a "standard pattern"?
The reason I ask is that a great uncle of mine who lived in the Midlands of Tasmania made an almost identical one for his apprenticeship prior to World War 1. Differences that I picked were:
- constructed from red cedar (exotic to Tasmania),
- carrying handles were looped steel rather than rope,
- top slides had hinged lids,
- lower slides had drawers,
- fitted wooden tool tote
- fitted nail and screw drawers.
The tool tote and fastener drawers perfectly fitted the space above the saw till and in front of the sliding trays and effectively locked everything in place when the tool box was being moved. I can remember that tool chest being slid up a plank to get it onto a ute when I was at primary school.
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19th March 2024, 07:20 PM #27
Graeme, I believe from what I've read (& Jim Kingshot said as much in the video), that the tool chests were a fairly standardised design which had evolved over quite long time to serve a cabinetmaker's needs. Tool chests had been around since at least mediaeval times & probably well before that, though the couple I've seen pictures of had far simpler interiors than 18th & 19th century examples. I don't know when the elaborate interiors were first made on a regular basis, but I vaguely remember reading somewhere that it became fashionable in England in the early Georgian period, so it would have been well-established by the time your uncle served his time. That would make sense as it was a time when cabinetmaking was developing into a very highly skilled business with the likes of Chippendale, Sheraton & Hepplewhite setting some high hurdles & the tradesmen would have access to offcuts from a wide range of imported & local woods . The Seaton chest is dated at 1796, and is remarkably similar in concept to Jim's, though the details vary. I imagine the more ambitious apprentices would always want to put a few personal touches on their chests...
Cheers,IW
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20th March 2024, 06:12 AM #28GOLD MEMBER
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I'm fairly sure I dropped the planes book off at half price book a few years ago. That's a place where they give you about a dollar a book.
If I did, it would be normal to pretend to be mad, but personally, I hate the racked of the cons looking for a mark on amazon.
One of my favorite books is the seaton chest book (just because it has extreme detail in it and I can actually make the tools that are in it thanks to that). when I was looking for it, there were gobs of overpriced versions online and no timeline for updated stock at regular vendors.
You're not supposed to order them from england if you're in the US but I just ignored that and I think I ordered one from TATHS because the worst they could do is tell me no. Instead, they shipped it with a nice note of thanks inside the cover for purchasing the book. For about $45.
I miss people like Kingshott - there's a lifetime of do and then sharing the information vs. a lifetime of trying to share information without having done the "do".
It sounds cynical, but every time I talk about something I'm well versed in (Ok, there are few of those) and someone wants me to explain why the advice may not match the wood whisperer or pall cellars or james wright, I wonder why I bothered. if someone said "kingshott did that another way", I'd instantly want to know what it was.
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20th March 2024, 08:20 AM #29SENIOR MEMBER
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Books are funny like that. The prices swing wildly. Maybe it was signed of something to attract such a price. Amazon is selling it for $180AUD.
It's also at archive.org on one hour loan.
I have The New Fine Points of Furniture Early American, by Albert Sack, and some years back I saw it selling for over $250USD, now it's on amazon for $90AUD, which is also on archive.org for one hour loans. I thought about selling it then, now I'd be lucky to get $50 on market place.
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20th March 2024, 10:59 AM #30
I cannot imagine paying sums like that for a book, especially one on woodworking. But all is relative. Some cannot look at new "premium" planes without considering them an extravagence.
About 15 years ago I did sell a book for $6000 ... which was pretty good since I paid 50 cents for it from a second-hand book shop. It was a mimiograph edition of the first book written by a highly influential psychotherapist in the 1960s, and it went to a USA university. This cheap-looking book had probably been lying on the bookshop shelf for some years. It helps to be able to recognise the work.
Supply and Demand. Many years ago I was a member of an international Porsche 356 forum/club. There was one book in particular, a substantial history of Porsche, written by an acclaimed motor journalist. Out of print and a badge of being a serious collector, it sold for over $500. That was all those years ago.
No doubt that there are serious collectors in all walks of life. And there are Sellers that try their luck.
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