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The document below makes for interesting reading about the role of Workplace Australia in the Qantas dispute.
Goodness knows what will happen if Qantas and the Unions cannot agree in 42 days, and Workplace Australia makes a ruling on how Qantas is to be run. Alan Joyce might just as well shut up shop and go home.
You've got to admire the little Irish bloke. He has stood up to all the Govt bullies and the Govt bad mouthing him and Qantas in Parliament and the press
When my wife and I were newly married we had a flat in Cremorne ,landlord was an old fruity type with brow beaten wife who lived on the premises upstairs. He was a Qantas employee of some years standing and we got the whole story one afternoon over martinis in their flat.He was apparantly in the engineering branch at Mascot Airport,and was recruited back in the dim distant past from A.V.Roe an English plane manufacturer so he would have been one of the old guard coming up through the Constellation.and flying boat era Used to rave about how well trained Qantas staff were,"Even if you are only a cleaner,you are the best,if you work for Qantas",and so on and so forth.
Visited him one day at Mascot they had a mezzanine floor built in one of the hangars where they used to test the jet engines etc so he could survey his domain,what a racket, the noise of runninng up engines etc ,deafening.
He reckoned in the old propeller days he could pick what was wrong with an engine by riding in the plane etc (this is in the old propeller days),He told me he was on a plane coming back from London and could hear no.3 engine "hunting" ie revving inconsistently.Sure enough when he arrived back in Aussie they stripped the engine down and found a fuel malfunction.
Now most of the servicing is done overseas and we have lost a lot of the expertise,only because of the cost,engineers over here have priced them selves out of a job,and Qantas looks like going the way of Ansett.:roll:
"Qantas looks like going the way of Ansett.:roll:"
I read a book called The men who Killed Qantas or something like that
and thought that was the aim of Dixon, Joyce etc.
Robbo37:?
They are ruthless and they will win. Fair work Australia will rule over working conditions, not the organisation of the company, which is part of the unions claims. The unions will lose totally and Joyce knows it.
Ever heard of the chairman's lounge ? It's a special VIP lounge that quantas operates. ALL the pollies frequent it. That greens idiot in the lower house has already qualified in 12 months in parliment, so much for do as I say not as I do. Yeah they put on the big public show, but behind closed doors they are all his little pets.
Have you forgotten ? You discussing politicians and corporate psychopaths.
wot he^^^^ just said... blue collars will allways cop it
Blue collar workers are not angels either. I am sure I don't need to detail the rampant overt corruption violence and just plain unreasonable behavior they have engaged in over the years, and indeed the antics of some of the membership.
Most people in society are good and do the right thing, most of the people we notice don't, and we notice them quite specifically because being an AH is abnormal.
You don't need to be nursing starving Africans to be a good person. Every time someone joins the end of a queue instead of pushing in, every time they don't run over you on the road, every time someone gives you the right change. Most of us don't go through life trying to damage others.
Ansett went south because they couldn't be bothered looking after the aircraft.
One also wonders about the comments of those groundstaff at qantas already getting paid 30% more than the local guys at virgin and whether or not they're shooting themselves in the foot.
Ansett went south because Ansett mismanaged the company, buying and running far to many different aircraft and therefore having to hold spares and certifications for all of them. That put them in a weak position and ANZ bought them for a good price, promptly shipped the spares to NZ and left the rotten hull to die a natural death.
It's called asset stripping.
The rude hosties and beligerant unions didn't help, but trust me it was the bosses fault straight up that that company failed.
Anyway, we'll find out in the next few weeks if I'm right about quantas. Watch this space. :)
Civil Aviation Safety Authority - CASA media release - Ansett 767s groundedQuote:
Originally Posted by damian
CASA says no deal reached with Ansett. - Free Online Library
they had an ongoing failure to prove an adequate maintenance plan. The issue wasn't the grounding of a large part of the fleet - it was that they repeatedly failure to show they were going to do anything about their maintenance issues.
That's why their operating license got pulled. All AirNZ did was buy cheap bits from a drunk who had his license suspended afte rbeing caught one too many times. It should also be said that at the time of the collapse, AirNZ was a 100% owner; they didn't pick it up after the collapse.
Very different to the issue with QANTAS, for whom the locals seem to be pricing themselves out of the market. I loved seeing the profit release today though. He's a crafty one that joyce!
No they bought it before, but they bought it for the spares.
If Ansett had had a rational fleet it would still be flying, but as you say the nut behind the wheel wasn't steering straight. He'd go to airshows get a skinful and buy a fleet of ANOTHER class of plane. They weren't doing maintenance because they could afford to.
Anyway, I am sure everyone has a version of the story.
The thing with Quantas is it's a seperate legal entity to bogestar. They could concievably shut it, shunt the assets to BS and turn all those workers out on the street to start over. I don't think that's likely, but with 2 structurally seperate entities to manage Darth Ireland has options.
Of course I could be totally wrong.
Got what was supposed to be the 8.05am plane to Sydney,all boarded ok,but time for take off came and went, 8.20 still no action, by then people were getting restless,Captain comes on PA "I must apologise most fervently ladies and gentleman, they have forgotten to load the baggage, so we will be another twenty minutes,I have been flying for 25 years and this has never happened before"
Eventually took off twenty to nine,but he must have really opened the throttle because we were only 10 minutes late into Sydney.Never again Qantas!!!!! :((
These kinds of discussions used to take place in the "Nothing to do with Woodwork" sub forum. Anyway its good to get stuck into the meat puppets isnt it Damian? Good to see you at it mate :D