A great video on workholding on the bench

I just saw this video on workholding on the workbench. Just over half an hour long. Presenter is Terry Gordon. Video is full of common sense solutions and very good explanations, as you would expect from Terry.I thought it was well worth the look. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82juh2OdG7U(usual disclaimer - I have no business affiliation with HNT Gordon and have not been asked to promote this)

Thanks for that Doug. Terry does good work, and these are useful work-holding methods.

Since this could turn into a thread on work holding, I will post something that does not require vises of any form (OK, we all need a vice :) ). I recently posted methods of work holding that focussed on the planing stop and Doe's Foot. They are pretty amazing, and would be recommended for anyone who has not yet added a face vise and an end vise.

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Planing Stop and Doe’s Foot


Make your own planing stop. This took about 30 minutes to make and install ...

http://www.inthewoodshop.com/ShopMad...l_mb904dd0.jpg

It looks like an ordinary dog hole. 1" wide in O1 steel. Filed 8 ppi. Sharp like a saw.

http://www.inthewoodshop.com/ShopMad..._m3ec1ab60.jpg
The brass screws have been replaced by stainless steel M6 bolts into threaded inserts ...

http://www.inthewoodshop.com/ShopMad..._m6718b583.jpg

This is the spring-loaded bench dog. It will remain at any height it is set. Note that all my bench dogs are exactly the same, and this one can be used in place of any other ...

http://www.inthewoodshop.com/ShopMad...l_1fa82952.jpg

How the stop looks to the wood http://www.inthewoodshop.com/ShopMad...ml_7c1517e.gif

http://www.inthewoodshop.com/ShopMad..._m13f6e1a8.jpg

Used with a Doe's Foot (the subject of a number of posts by Chris Schwarz and Richard Maguire – just Google them for more details). This is simply a wooden board with a 90 degree angle section cut out ...

http://www.inthewoodshop.com/ShopMad...l_1d61879b.jpg
Once clamped to the bench top with a hold down, the board is held rigidly. Quite impossible to push across the bench.

http://www.inthewoodshop.com/ShopMad..._m27308f21.jpg
.. or tail vise ...

http://www.inthewoodshop.com/ShopMad...l_39133680.jpg


The extra grip over a bench dog is amazing! It grips so well that it is just as stable off centre ...

http://www.inthewoodshop.com/ShopMad...l_2faa31c9.jpg


The combination of the metal stop and Doe's Foot in stabilising a board is just so profound (!) that it is my first choice now when planing diagonally across a board (such as when using a jack plane to take off highs). Obviously, do not use this metal stop if you feel you may hit it with a plane.

The teeth are small and sharp enough not to do any damage to the end grain of boards being planed. I would not use it with planed edge grain. It would damage that.

Luckily, I made all my dogs the exact same size and interchangeable. This will enable me to use the metal dog anywhere along the side of the bench.

Part of this thread was intended to emphasise just how amazing the Doe's Foot is as an end vise substitute - for those of you without an end vise.



Regards from Perth

Derek

Thanks Doug and Derek, got a lot out of the video and post. Aussies are so more down to earth and pracitcal than most others.

thanks for your post Derek. I really like that idea but I would take a small rabbet out of the front of the top of the benchdog and make the o1 steel plate fit inside the doghole so it can still engage the workpiece and also slip into the bench when not in use.

I also think that your post was really worth a thread of its own, the information is so good and I have not seen it elsewhere. It is also a good bit of ammunition in the war of the round vs square benchdogs. :2tsup:

Looks like I need to add a couple of modified benchdogs to the list of bench accessories to include in my build

So does this mean you have to throw out your new bench and start from scratch Doug:roll:
I didn't think Terry would have time to build furniture on top of all the planes he makes. Certainly some very practical ideas there on why you would design things a certain way.

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I really like that idea but I would take a small rabbet out of the front of the top of the benchdog and make the o1 steel plate fit inside the doghole so it can still engage the workpiece and also slip into the bench when not in use

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Thanks Doug.

I am sure that I have posted this information before. It is on my website: http://www.inthewoodshop.com/ShopMad...aningStop.html

The steel plate does fit inside the dog hole. There is indeed a small rebate that allows it to lower fractionally below the bench top.

Here is an earlier photo (before the brass screws were replaced with steel bolts into steel threads) ...

https://s19.postimg.cc/pca1hdjdf/Planing_Stop.jpg

I liked the holding power so much, I made another for my end vise.

You can just make it out here ..

http://www.inthewoodshop.com/Furnitu..._m34da900a.jpg

Regards from Perth

Derek

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Originally Posted by Treecycle

So does this mean you have to throw out your new bench and start from scratch Doug:roll:

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NO :rolleyes:

While I do like Terry's bench, I think mine will suit me just as well - and the whole thing will cost less than one of Terry's tailvises.

Its not that I could not afford Terry's hardware, it's more a journey of re-creating a workbench similar to my Grandfathers, which I learned on.

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Originally Posted by derekcohen

The steel plate does fit inside the dog hole. There is indeed a small rebate that allows it to lower fractionally below the bench top.

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Yes, I did notice that you had cut a small rebate in front of the doghole. I was proposing removing part of the front face of the dog and making the steel plate fit in ALL the dogholes without modification to the bench. I suppose it's a personal choice but I would rather modify the accessory to fit the bench rather than the bench to accommodate the accessory, where the outcome is the same. The only downside I can see to my way is that it would put a limit on how high the dogs can be lifted above the bench and still function. There would be times when that could be restricting but it would not be often for the work that I do. Your work may be different.

Here is another one from Mike Siemson that uses no vise of any kind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvhn-PAfEW4&t=224s

That was a great video from Terry.
I do hope he makes some more Youtubes.:)

Here is another video with Simon James which shows some work holding solutions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n_qRQlakTw

Thanks for posting Doug3030
Tom

While we are on holding methods I find the bench bull to be very handy. For things that are not quite right in the normal vice and it also raises the work to a comfortable hight. A couple of years back I was contemplating building a Moxon vice but since I have had the bull I've never got around to it. Fix it anywhere on the bench and uses F clamps or holdfasts.
I an also a fan of the simple doe's foot.
Regards
John

Great thread!! :2tsup::2tsup::2tsup: I guess there will be more to come!!