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A larger storer boat for cruising and performance.
It has been some time since I used this forum so directly.
But it is a good chance now.
The reason is we want the input of Christophe, Callsign222 who doesn't uses facebook.
You may have seen the Viola sailing canoe that Joost Engelen (another former regular here) jointly developed - effectively a purists sailing dinghy with a canoe like platform for light weight and easy transport (75lb hull - which is important to this discussion)
The Viola is shown to the left.
The boat on the right is the recently designed "Kombi Canoe" also developed with Joost. A 50/50 sail and paddle canoe.
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I'm always being asked to draw up a "longer Goat Island Skiff" but that feels wrong. The GIS is just on the cusp for two people to lift. Make it bigger and it is no longer the light and simple boat the standard one is. And also lose that instant "trimmability" with every little wave and every little extra gust to pull away from (often) much larger boats metre by metre.
And Joost's two kids are getting bigger. Still OK in the Goat but may start cutting into performance in the next 3 years!
The boats we are thinking about as fitting in the same niche are great boats. Every one has great strengths and some weaknesses.
My mental list is
- Caledonia Yawl
- Sea Pearl (monohull configuration)
- The European design the Valk (I hafve a feeling i have the name wrong - joost will correct me) a family racing cross between a dinghy and a keelboat. Often sailed in RAID events with three to 5 aboard sailing hard and wielding paddles (oars are not allowed in many Netherlands events).
- Some of john Welsfords bigger sailing dinghies.
My current idea is something like a blown up (in proportion) Viola with a choice of two rigs. A Sloop using a sliding gunter main for a modern touch. Here is an 15er yacht from the prewar period - look at the rig ... not the surplus of battens!! And probably a less stable hull so the rig size will come down a bit - so the boat will be much longer than the rig from jib tack to main clew.
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The other version would be a balance lug yawl. Some variation along the lines of the BETH rig but with a larger mizzen.
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The other idea that points somewhere interesting are the Swedish Sailing Canoes. Though these are quite heavily ballasted and basically a short handed boat.
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Current ideas
- kindof liftable hullweight. 14ft Viola is 75lbs. an 18 footer might be around 145lb and a 20 footer around 200. Before considering ballast.
- sailable in family mode with ballast and performance mode with less
- With ballast capable of coastal cruising on good weather reports
- Handled by one person (as that is often what happens with family recreational sailing) but busy enough to keep a keen crew interested.
- Works with oars.
- Easily rightable from capsize (I've been here before - and too easy can be a liability if the crew falls off.
- Interesting and pretty (that is my job as well as the numbers)
- Righting after capsize with minimal water aboard.
That's kind of it for now ... Joost will be along in a bit. And along the line Christophe.
Best Regards
MIK
(Michael Storer)