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  1. 3rd September 2008, 09:30 PM #1
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    Default The Ellsworth grind

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    I was wondering what are the pros and cons of the Ellsworth grind over the standard/convential shape on bowl gouges? Also is the Ellsworth grind more suited to gouges 12mm and under or is it just as well suited to gouges 16mm and over? How hard is it to reshape a conventially ground gouge to the Ellsworth form, and what is the correct procedure. Also I would like to know how long is a piece of string .
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    Which piece of string?
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    A jig is the easy way to make that swept back grind.
    I was using it for years before I ever heard of the term 'Elsworth Grind.'

    I never thought of it actually suiting a particular tool although it seems to work best on one with an elliptical flute.
    I think of it more as suiting a particular turner than the tool.

    & I both love our Henry Taylor HS1 SuperFlute.
    They are ground completely differently 'cos he likes his how his is, (even if it is totally wrong ) & I like mine that way mine is.

    You have to try it for a while & see what you like.

    There are several jigs available & there are several threads on here on how some members have made their own jig.

    I'll find some links.
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    Here is an old thread about sharpening turning tools & it has links to other threads & jigs. (There are more, I just have to find them)

    https://www.woodworkforums.com/f8/chisel-sharpening-42001
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    Stu in Tokyo has posted a couple of threads with home made jigs.

    https://www.woodworkforums.com/f8/sharpening-stuff-36178

    https://www.woodworkforums.com/f8/grinding-jig-mkii-54676
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    Also worth a look.

    https://www.woodworkforums.com/f8/sharpening-question-48834
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    More links to threads about grinding turning tols.

    All worth a look.

    https://www.woodworkforums.com/f8/grinding-jigs-10062
    https://www.woodworkforums.com/f8/sharpening-36030
    https://www.woodworkforums.com/f44/stu-tokyo-sharpening-jigs-47046
    https://www.woodworkforums.com/f8/fingernail-jig-2-a-51792
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    Also dig through this thread, ignore the crap.

    This is my main sharpening set up that is evolving over the years.

    About post 39 is where I modified it so I could use my Unijig on both wheels.

    https://www.woodworkforums.com/f127/fat-wheels-grinders-37459
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    Here it is....
    It took me a while to find it.

    https://www.woodworkforums.com/f8/road-test-uni-jig-53

    The amazing thing is that I bought mine about one week after that was posted & I didn't join the forum 'til a couple of years later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy John View Post
    Also I would like to know how long is a piece of string .
    From end to end!

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    I can only answer the bit about the string......

    It's double the distance from the middle to one end....hope that helps..

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    & I both love our Henry Taylor HS1 SuperFlute.
    They are ground completely differently 'cos he likes his how his is, (even if it is totally wrong ) & I like mine that way mine is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cliff Rogers View Post

    & I both love our Henry Taylor HS1 SuperFlute.
    They are ground completely differently 'cos he likes his how his is, (even if it is totally wrong ) & I like mine that way mine is.
    So .......any pics? What is differant? And how would they differ in use?
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    Cliff, thank you very much for all your hard work in tracking down all the sharpening threads , I read them all . Still have no clues as to the advantages of the Ellsworth grind over a conventionally ground bowl gouge, or the best way of reshaping a standard grind to an Ellsworth grind.

    Don't worry about the string, I got it sorted.
    Last edited by Grumpy John; 4th September 2008 at 06:04 PM. Reason: Added bit about string.
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    Many Many thanks Cliff I also went through them all a wealth of knowledge and designs

    Bit like the hollow grind and flat grind argument for planes and chisels
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