Thread: Only artists with a masters degree can create art

I wonder if we need a rumour along the lines that the Goverment is considering legislation that

"all current degress and masters and doctorates will expire Dec 30 2010

so all current graduates etc must re-enrol by April 1 or lose their degrees"

April 1 seems like a good deadline.

Joe

Originally Posted by silentC

I think the point here is that obtaining a degree does not change the way you are.

It's my observation over 20 years of dealing with university science students that those that fully throw themselves into their studies are permanently changed. A degree should not just be about knowledge but also about skills and attitudes that spill across the way you think and then act even outside your profession or career. At a minimum a graduate should be significantly more critical thinker and better problem solver. Unfortunately this does not necessarily mean that if they went into their degree with stuff all critical thinking and problem solving ability they will come out with more than some others already have without doing a degree.

Just-jump-the-hoops students, who wait to be told everything by their teachers and get through doing the minimum amount of work, usually get very little out of a degree apart from the piece of paper. Enthusiastic creative students who fully utilize the facilities and continually go the extra mile during their studies are the ones who tend to change themselves.

BTW I dislike most modern art but happen to really like Blue Poles and agree 100% with Echidna that a degree is not an indicator of intelligence.

I'm basing my observations on 20 years of dealing with IT, marketing and MBA graduates

Yes you are probably right that someone who gets the most out of a science related degree will come out with a different attitude to the world around them. I think that they are a minority. Science is all about observation, reasoning, and interpretation of facts.

Unfortunately none of those things feature heavily in a business-oriented degree and the people who complete them are the ones who the rest of us come into contact with most often.

Having completed an IT degree with a business emphasis myself, and having worked with any number of graduates from different programmes, including UTS, I can tell you that it is quite possible to graduate knowing nothing much at all other than how to locate past exam papers and how to cram.

Originally Posted by silentC

. . . . I can tell you that it is quite possible to graduate knowing nothing much at all other than how to locate past exam papers and how to cram.

Unfortunately for us all I agree with you.

i remember being in london some years back on the way back home to oz.we went to the tate art gallery for modern art.there was a wall built of bricks which no self respeced brickie would lay claim to.apparently the gallery paid some "ARTISTE"1/2 milliob bucks to do it.just remember weatching a show about it asking what is art!seems different things to different people.now for me gimme any well made wooden object.

I personally HATE "art education". I think its a lot of wank.

But.. unless your born fully artisticly mature(impossible i think) then you need some understanding of "art" and what the hell it is. I find it hard to imagine this learning process as anything other than years of personal thought, experimenting, refining, frustration, despair, elation.
Things that can only happen on an internal level.

Although i cant see it, i suppose that there might be some people that benefit from the study of art and other artists. learning these things may help their internal dialogue.

At the best art education is an aid to a persons artistic ability
The idea of having to be "qualified" to create art is nonsense, although i cant believe anyone seriously believes it.

Originally Posted by ohno

I personally HATE "art education". I think its a lot of wank.

At the best art education is an aid to a persons artistic ability
The idea of having to be "qualified" to create art is nonsense, although i cant believe anyone seriously believes it.

The problem is that there are people who do believe it.
Now they'll never make truely creative inspirational artists.
But they will eventually populate the galleries and museums and the government agencies and other administrative fringes of the artistic world.

And in doing so they'll eventually be responsible for creating artistic mediocrity instead of true artistic brilliance.

Originally Posted by echnidna

The problem is that there are people who do believe it.
Now they'll never make truely creative inspirational artists.
But they will eventually populate the galleries and museums and the government agencies and other administrative fringes of the artistic world.

And in doing so they'll eventually be responsible for creating artistic mediocrity instead of true artistic brilliance.

True art is more likely to last. Give it few centuries to filter out and it will all be good. It'll always be that way.

I think that the highest goal of art is to inspire a sensation of something "beyond words", magical, etc, in as many viewers as possible.(which goes back to my earlier comments, the more you instinctively understand art, the more likely you are to achieve this)

If it takes a million dollar price tag for someone to look at an "artwork" then so be it. Maybe the price convinces them there is something of value in it. Maybe they get something.. if so goodo.

My philosophy is "if it works for you then good, but that whole side of art isnt my cup of tea".

im into art a bit l think good art tells a story what ever the viewer can make up,when l make something there is a long story that goes with it
do people like to hear it ??? or do they like to make thier own up??

Originally Posted by SPIRIT

im into art a bit l think good art tells a story what ever the viewer can make up,when l make something there is a long story that goes with it
do people like to hear it ??? or do they like to make thier own up??

Iam of the school of thought that if you provide all of the "information" then the viewers mind doesnt have to make much of an effort to bridge the gap. If you do get their minds meeting you half way, its a much more powerful experience.
Thats why my art tends to be minimalish.
By information iam just talking in an etheral sense.

A good example of this is horror films. Whats the most scary thing? When you see the monster/murderer etc?. No. Its when they are hidden, unseen, around the corner. The mind makes up the difference.

Then again, some people like to read the plaques next to artworks. Some dont.

this true .but as a artist it would be nice sometime they could look into your head at the time and see what you were tring to say

if l may
when l made this l was haveing a bit of a shot at organised religions and thier roll in the fall in a womankinds power to hide thier own fear
1st pic is a indention of thier faith made by using thier tools that also had the emblem on them, so more they worked more it showed ,this was thier medal of pride
the emblem is a cross (woman sign) and a snake (male) and thier bond together
ok the story goes on,,,,, l don't wont to bore anyone

show creativety in all parts of your like ,,no its not learned its felt

What a fascinating peice Spirit!

Im yet to extend myself in anyway with carving such as that I do have some ideas but am yet to give them a whirl... Im exploring my simple creative side just now you know boxes an tables boat bits and such... nothin really streching the old mind just feeling me way that sorta thing But thats what Id call interesting art my friend! Reminds me of a set of bar stools my sis has in her place in Broome each is carved into the shape of a hand and you sit in the palm... exquisite work

Anyway just wanted to say I liked the hand