Thread: What Are Your Favourite Adhesives?

AV syntec AV180 yellow glue for day to day usualy in a laminex branded jar.
Sprayable contact cement, wonderfull stuff.
Normal white pva still has it place though.

cheers

No contest. West System Epoxy (105) with slow hardener. It's always an "overnight" glue job, but never fails and allows for panic free glue-up. I usually have up to 30 minutes open time. I've learned for panel / table top glue-ups you don't need much, if any, microfibre thickener. And only a very thin film of epoxy. This gives a "perfect" join with no glue line. But for all structural joins (M&T joins etc), adding the microfibre makes for an unbeatable gap filling structural glue. But can result in a "glue line". To hide this, I add coloring oxides to the glue to match the wood. (eg, Jarrah: a pinch of red and just a little black. Mix together with the epoxy and you have liquid Jarrah).

For quick glue-ups where I can't wait overnight - Yellow Glue ("Saligna" aliphatic resin from Timbecon)

Richard

Originally Posted by jon46089

Gotta laugh at Bunnings and other hardware store prices ... but it nearly turned me off using epoxy.

Recently purchased 4 litre West System 105 with 0.8 litre 206 Slow Hardener (4.8 litre total) 20 min pot life, for close to $100 from Saint-Gobain RF at 635 Queensberry Street, North Melb, 9329 0111 (see http://sgrf.com.au/ for other states). This is THE BEST EPOXY - VERY STRONG.

Could Lignum explain the "real" useful lifetime with the Fast Harderner? My assembly took half hour, and had to be done in situ, but useful time was more like an hour at 20 deg. so maybe I could have used the Fast Harderner.

Also, what is benefit of microfibers? I ended up sifting saw dust to create a fine powder to use as a filler, which worked great as a thickener to prevent flow of expoxy out of the vertical joints.

I use a wooden tray i made up about 350x300mm and 25mm depth for mixing and using the west system. As it is a chemical cure, heat sets it off. Feel the bottom of the container you have mixed it in and how hot it is. So if you use a large surface area to mix and use, the heat takes less time to generate and you get a longer open time. I use fast hardner with the microfibers and get around 20-25 min at around 20deg, and lower temp 15 or under i can get an extra 5 - 10 min. Summer though... i use slow hardner and work faster:eek: Micro fibers are great, but remember to coat both areas to be joined with normal mixed west system first then apply the micro paste, that is a must. As Jon and Richard have said, its increadably strong stuff. Gotta be one of the strongest available glue outside of NASA. I scrape the remains out of the tray when finished and lean it up againsed a wall (The tray has a 5mm build up all-round now and is the strongest thing in my workshop ) A few months back i left some in the tray by accident, leaned it up againsed the wall, came back 2 days later and it had stuck rock hard to the concrete, i had to wack it very hard with a big hammer to get it off, and when i finally did, it pulled a big chunk of concrete away. Thats how tough this stuff is. An as Jon said under a 100 bucks for 4.8 ltr, plus you get free measuring pumps to squirt it out corectly, it will last months. Top stuff

Originally Posted by Wood Butcher

For me mostly tradesman's choice aquadhere (now aquadhere exterior i think), although I have been trying the new aquadhere durabond.
http://www.selleys.com.au/products/live/308/135.asp
It is supposed to be really good for exterior and wet areas.

aquadhere durabond.

Generally the only glue I use. Good all round glue, will bond damp timber ,when set I have never been able to get it to split, the timber always tears out. Works extremely well with both soft and hardwoods, and being water cleanup and drying clear just finishes it off nicely. Sands well too.

One 500ml bottle is $6.95 at Bunnings.

Originally Posted by custos

I just use Selly's Aquadhere (usually the cross-linked PVA one called "Tradesman's Choice") from Bunnings. It's inexpensive, readily available since I almost live in Bunnings, and if a joint fails with Aquadhere you can guarantee it poor joinery not the glue's fault. Unless you had some specialist application why would you pay over twice as much for uppity brands like Titebond III?

I've had good results with Tradesmans Choice. And have set up some break tests myself and most impressed - dosn't break on the join. But a warning I understand the stuff does have a 'life' and its wise to buy the smaller size, unless you go through gallons of the stuff of course - anyway that's what I do. But I don't buy it at Bunnings - shop around and you'll see what I mean

Originally Posted by Dust Mite

aquadhere durabond.

Generally the only glue I use. Good all round glue, will bond damp timber ,when set I have never been able to get it to split, the timber always tears out. Works extremely well with both soft and hardwoods, and being water cleanup and drying clear just finishes it off nicely. Sands well too.

One 500ml bottle is $6.95 at Bunnings.

That can't be right can it Mite, I thought it ran to around $16 or similarly exorbitant?


Cheers...............Sean, puzzled

Aquadhere tradesman for me too . Tried that yellow crap from Timbecom after i was told that it was top of the wizza , it failed me . Dries yellow and seemed to crack over time .After i queried them they told me it wasn't the right one for what i was doing , not what they told me before i bought it . I make workbenches for a living and use Aquadhere every day . When i first tried it i glued 2 pieces of jarrah ,left them to dry then put them in a bucket for 2 days . Rock solid , as far as i'm concerned why try a differant product when i know this one works and dries clear . $39 for 4 lts from John Building Supplies in Carlisle WA.
If anyone knows where i can buy it cheaper let me know , 20lts would do me .

Originally Posted by NewLou

Try Here:

http://www.antongerner.com.au/202gf.html

REgards Lou

Lou, couldn't agree more. I've been using this glue for three years and am a strong proponant of this great glue. I introduced it to our club members, and many are using it as a result. The only time I don't use it is when I need a glue with a longer fom gluing multiple layers of timber.

I've been using the yellow pva Triton timber glue - forgotten it's full name. It sets in less than 10 minutes so everyone has learned to not disturb me when I'm glueing. It washes up with water and , well, I like it.

I've just stared using The West System for epoxy, seems to be pretty good so far, but I need more practice with it.

I also have a bottle of Selleys Aquadhere for work that may get wet, but don't like it's long setting time.

cheers
RufflyRustic

Originally Posted by Wood Butcher

For me mostly tradesman's choice aquadhere (now aquadhere exterior i think), although I have been trying the new aquadhere durabond.
http://www.selleys.com.au/products/live/308/135.asp
It is supposed to be really good for exterior and wet areas.

Gotta admit, have some araldite in the shed too, Always comes in handy.

I have been using this SELLEYS DURABOND lately and it's becoming my glue of choice. I have been using it instead of two part epoxy with no problems.

It's easy to apply..no mixing etc. It does swell a real lot, to the extent that it fill gaps.

I have learnt to use it sparingly.

cheers,
conwood

Originally Posted by Dust Mite

aquadhere durabond.

....... will bond damp timber ....

:confused: Why would you want to glue damp timber:confused:

202GF
AV180
Lots of Supa Glue for filling tiny holes stabilysing knots and small cracks as well as fast repairs where small bits of timber have broken away.
Boat Crafts "Purbond" Polyurethane


Ross

Originally Posted by Lignum

:confused: Why would you want to glue damp timber:confused:

Ummmm...well you dont really, just happened to spill some of some rain damped timber and absent mindely put a good piece down on top of it and wandered off for a spot of lunch.

Guess what I discovered when I got back to the shed a day or so later...yup glued solid and the damn stuff wouldnt come apart! Was duly impressed by that as I had never thought it would do that.

But then life's full of little surprises.

And no lunch didnt take a day or so :P

Originally Posted by scooter

That can't be right can it Mite, I thought it ran to around $16 or similarly exorbitant?


Cheers...............Sean, puzzled

Checked Bunnies to make sure I hadnt gone daft in the past few days and the price was as stated above...would you like some , I could start an export company up and sell Selleys glue to you fellas