Thread: Inexplicably captivating...

Cool! It could bring the remote controls over!

Love it!!!!


That would certainly be a great talking point in a home!!

How often does it need to be fed? Does it have to be vaccinated annually?

Originally Posted by IanW

How often does it need to be fed?

Just a drop or two of horse sauce every few years.

I'd be more concerned how often it needs exercising.

At the risk of being black balled I will raise the "art" topic again.
As I am being exposed to more and more art on this forum the few grey cells left at my disposal are gradually opening up to concepts of art. I may have to reaccess past assumptions and even beliefs. I am now aware it is not confined to things simply kept in the pool room. So the question I ask is why would a person who can do woodwork of that standard make an object that has less practical value than an ashtray on a motorbike.
Regards
John

This isn't real art. James Joyce said thee were two types of unsuccessful art; one is pornographic the other is didactic. The artwork in question belongs under the heading of pornography, that is, it appeals to our desires in some way - visual entertainment as it were. Didactic art is agenda driven and carries some sort of message that is usually a result or appeal to fear. Political art of today is an example.

A true artwork is a stasis - a thing that holds the eyes back from constant hunting and looking out for danger. It is a still moment in a turning world. It appeals to the senses in only a secondary way.

I reckon if it meant something to the guy who made it, or if it's something special eg. a show of extraordinary skill, it could be called art..
To me it reeks of "check me out, I'm being arty" I don't find it interesting in any way.
booooo

Originally Posted by orraloon

So the question I ask is why would a person who can do woodwork of that standard make an object that has less practical value than an ashtray on a motorbike.
Regards
John

If we had it and we had somewhere to put it LOML would put a vase of flowers on the pillion seat

I,m with Artme

It would be handy for someone that needed it.

Col.

Originally Posted by movay_2008

The artwork in question belongs under the heading of pornography, that is, it appeals to our desires in some way.

Maybe a few more excursions to get you out more is required. Pornography? I just can't imagine some poor desperate buying a magazine in a brown paper bag and scuttling home to the confines of his inner sanctum to nervously flick open the pages to reveal..........that.

Col..

Wow! just what I've always wanted.

Originally Posted by Col

Maybe a few more excursions to get you out more is required. Pornography? I just can't imagine some poor desperate buying a magazine in a brown paper bag and scuttling home to the confines of his inner sanctum to nervously flick open the pages to reveal..........that.

Col..

Take it up with James Joyce maybe or Joseph Campbell.

Proper art, says [James] Joyce in [Portrait of an Artist as a Young Man], is "static" and improper art is "kinetic." Kinisis, as you know, means movement and Stasis, as you know, means standing still.
Kinisis: Improper art is kinetic in that it moves the observer either to desire, positive, or to loathe or fear, negative, that object represented. That's clear and simple. Improper art is kinetic, it moves the observer either to desire or to refuse, to fear or hate the object represented.
Art that moves you to desire is pornography. The Supreme Court of the United States can't define pornography, therefore, that's what we have. All advertising art is pornographic. You are going through a magazine and you see a picture of a beautiful refrigerator and beside it stands a lovely girl with lovely refrigerator teeth. And you think, I love refrigerators like that. Pornography. Picture of a dear old lady and you think, "Oh, lovely old sweet soul, I'd love to have a cup of tea with that dear lady." That's pornography. You go into a ski buffs department and you see pictures of ski slopes and you think, "oh, wow, to go down slopes like that." Pornography. - Joseph Campbell, from his lecture "The Way of Art"

Joseph Campbell continues that James Joyce, acknowledged as one of the greatest writers of all times, says we should look to St. Thomas Aquinas for an inkling of what proper art is.

Aquinas defines beauty as that which pleases; that's a very nice definition. There is another aspect, however, to art which is the sublime. And the sublime is that which simply shatters your whole ego system. In either case, we are over on the static side: one static held by fascination, the other static held by annihilation. The beautiful and the sublime. The sublime: enormous power, enormous space, to simply diminish and wipe out the ego. The sublime. - Joseph Campbell, from his lecture "The Way of Art"

It's easy to miscontrue Aristotle's statis here. By no means does it mean lifeless. It speaks to the infinitely present source of inspiration. The viewer is struck still - held in aesthetic arrest as Campbell would phrase it - and transported to this same source.

In this piece you touch another part of me. A part beyond the brain. You make me stop and contemplate. - Graham, comments in "What is Real?"

A few weeks ago I'm in the bookstore doing a bit of sleuthing on the Parsifal and the Holy Grail myth. I spot one of those oversized coffee-table astrology books. My curiosity peaked, I just had to open it to my birthday. It spoke of the path of the artist for me. This stands out: "Great art is energy channeled in from spirit and translated into words, images, or sounds to which people can relate. Art is powerful, not just because of the intense emotions it can stir, but because it helps people feel the inspiration felt by the artist at the time of creation."

In his early autobiographical novel A Portrait of the Artist As a Young Man, James Joyce's alter ego, Stephen Dedalus, draws on Aristotle in a discussion of aesthetics, where he distinguishes between improper and proper art. The former is kinetic, meaning its purpose is to excite and elicit emotional movement in the observer, listener, or reader, as in pornographic or didactic art. The focus of the creator here is external, for it is on the audience's response. Proper art, Stephen continues, is static, insofar as it is interested only in the art itself - the internal - not its elicited or desired reaction....Whereas creators can be faithful to their inspiring Muse and not to the art's effect on others, performers likewise can be faithful to the inspiration's source, and not their special ability to arouse emotion in their audiences. A discerning public can tell the difference between proper and improper artists and performers; those who remain true to the genius of the inspiration as opposed to those who care only for the external gratifications - in Freud's famous words regarding the artist: the pursuit of honor, power, and love. - Kenneth Wapnick, "A Portrait of A Course in Miracles Student As An Artist"
I'd generally place my bets on people who are intrinsically motivated -- people who do what they do not to secure riches or fame, but because they simply love it. Left brain or right brain, those are the sorts of folks who change the world. - Daniel Pink, author of A Whole New Mind from Lisa Haneberg's Interview with Pink at Management Craft
This contrast between mere form and genuine inspiration is seen, for instance, in many Elizabethan authors who wrote in the style of the day, yet Shakespeare's name, like Abou Ben Adhem's, leads all the rest; or in the late 18th-century, where dozens and dozens of composers wrote music utilizing the classical forms of the period, but there remains only one Mozart. - Kenneth Wapnick, "A Portrait of A Course in Miracles Student As An Artist"

The example of Jesus, Gandhi, MLK, Siddhartha Gautama, Mother Theresa and others show us if we draw from inspiration our lives themselves can be works of proper art.

http://evelynrodriguez.typepad.com/c...ing_porno.html
James Joyce: The distiction between Proper and Improper Art - The ARTrepreneur

Originally Posted by movay_2008

A true artwork is a stasis - a thing that holds the eyes back from constant hunting and looking out for danger. It is a still moment in a turning world. .

Spoken in true Artspeak

Originally Posted by Eldanos of KDM

I I don't find it interesting in any way.
booooo

sheesh...really?... completely uninteresting?...no curiosity in it's purpose?..no questions about its makers intent?..not even inquisitive about the method of construction?..

At the risk of starting another scrap about what's art and what's craft, let's call it "Crart" and just enjoy this amazing piece

ps ...movay...nobody's going to read that last post mate...

Why must it be labelled as art/craft or anything at all for that matter? Can it not simply be loved/despised? Me… I love it!