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    Default Portable Swing Saw Mill for (Potential) Sale

    I am testing the waters to see what interest there might be out there for selling my portable swing saw mill.
    It is a home built version of a Lucas-Peterson-type-design but with some advantages and some disadvantages over that style.

    Homebuilt doesn’t mean dodgy or dangerous. It was properly engineered and built. It functions well, and is reliable and safe.
    It is more an amateur's machine than a commercial one.



    Basics

    * A trolley on 4 wheels -- with motor and swing gearbox and blade and sawing table -- runs on two ground rails of 6 metres long, thus allowing maximum 4.2 metre logs and cut boards (but it has extension rails to allow 5.5M boards). Any extra length of rail extensions could be added. Any farm-skilled welder could make them up
    * The sawing table and blade move up and down, and wind sideways, to allow any sizing of boards desired.

    * It can break down logs of up to 1000mm diam without any need for rolling or moving.
    * It has a 600mm diam x 5.5mm kerf blade of 26 Tungsten tips which can rip up to 250mm deep (but not in one pass!). It can theoretically cut up to 250mm x 250mm.
    * It has a 21HP Briggs and Stratton V-Twin petrol motor, electric start, (which is not monstrously fast, depending on your wood, but gets there eventually). Over its 3 years of life, I’ve successfully milled from green poplar to seasoned ironbark. Despite the work load, this motor has done little hard work and has been assiduously maintained.
    * It has a 12 litre removable petrol tank.

    Special Features
    * Unlike all other swing mills, this one has 160mm of blade above the table top to allow top-sawing along a fence, which is of great advantage if needing to re-size boards after seasoning, or for re-cutting timbers when you change your mind over sizing, or for cutting other timbers which did not come from the log you are milling. So you get a mill and a tablesaw in one device.
    * It has a “parking carport” with side covers at one end of the rails which keeps the weather off it when not in use – and very useful if it starts raining in the middle of a job.
    * It is portable in so far as it can be broken down into sections that one person can carry and reassemble alone. I built it in a city factory and transported it in to my place in a 13ft dinghy. It has been moved around my property 4 times in 3 years by myself alone. But it is made of mild steel, not aluminium, and is therefore heavier than the pro’s machines. There's no polished alloy or stainless fittings -- just epoxy painted steel. But it would also be a great machine to just leave set up in a shed or paddock and to bring the logs to it.
    * It has a 12v x 60amp auxiliary alternator to run its own table winch and a 12vdc-240vac inverter for electric tool use nearby (say an angle grinder, or drill, or lights).

    Accessories
    * Comes with a 1.5 tonne capacity petrol powered logging winch. This comes with pieces of 10mm steel cable totalling about 50 metres.
    * Comes with a sharpening jig with diamond blade.
    * Comes with a 1 tonne log trolley which helps logs travel along rough ground.
    * Comes with 3 tonne high lift jack, plus other assorted tools for logging and milling.
    * Comes with complete Operator’s and Repairer’s Manual (which I wrote myself based on my design and construction and milling experience.)
    * As this machine is somewhat idiosyncratic, I would support any buyer with free assistance in breaking it down for sale; removing it off my property (it has to go by boat as there is no road access to the site); and to set it back up and run it the first time in its new home. But any buyer would have to provide the transport of the mill to their place.

    Rationale
    I am not 100% sure if I do want to sell it at the moment as it is rather inaccessible. Its inaccessibility is problematic (1) for potential buyers to come and see it, (2) as I don’t live at that location anymore, (3) and I don’t want to expend time and energy meeting on site with tyre kickers. A buyer will have to buy it based on photos, videos, phone calls, trust and intuition.
    I am finding it hard to set a reasonable market price for this machine based on its unusual nature.
    I was thinking maybe $8000, given the value of similar things, given its versatility, and given that it will give years of reliable service once understood.
    So if there is sufficient expressions of interest, I will then formally offer it for sale in the forum and post all info and pics and videos for potential buyers.
    It is located about 2 hours northwest of Sydney, but I might be happy to sell to anyone anywhere on the east coast.
    So for now, please no detailed queries about it -- just general expressions of interest if you reckon there’s a market for it.

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    Sounds interesting.

    I for one would love to see some pics


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    Quote Originally Posted by cava View Post
    I love my Lucas!! ...just ask me!
    Allan.

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    Tim. A man of measurable mess.
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    Oh, Okay, seems like a fun gun, I will join in too



    Willy
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    Willy, this thread seems to be like the trees in gympie thread...
    I love my Lucas!! ...just ask me!
    Allan.

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    Default Further Info and Some Pics/Video

    Hi Guys.

    Thanks for all your interest.

    Here is a link to some photos and a video in the cloud >>>
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    And below is an explanation of those photos.

    Since last post I have decided to move the mill near to a road for easier sale, at Lower Portland, near Windsor NSW. Further queries are welcome via this thread or PM.

    Details of Mill Pics

    1.5 Tonne x 3.5 HP winch has up to 100 metres of 10mm wire cable for snigging logs to the mill from nearby. It has a clutch and can pull slowly or fast depending on load and engine revs. The motor is a 3.5HP Briggs and Stratton petrol, pull start which runs well. It has a Flender Himmel 52:1 gearbox of enormous power. I have pulled a 600mm diam x 8 metre long ironbark some 50 metres through the forest with it … alone.

    The 900 lineal metres of 100 x 25mm sawn bluegum came out of a 35 metre x 1000mm tree and is drying destined for milling into T&G floorboards (lovely!).

    The Felled 35 high x 900mm wide Bluegum tree was felled along the contour; the mill was then set up over the first 5 metre cant and then each subsequent cant was winched towards the mill and into the rail-corridorfor sawing. Easy peasy!

    The Poplar Lining Boards were an experiment at quicker sawing by ripping all verticals to 13mm wide x 250mm deep and then horizontal sawing across the lot to leave random width boards (for tablesaw ripping) with far less wastage. It saved timber, but didn’t really save anytime. Drat.

    The Rail Adjustment Feet (there are 8 over the 6metres of tracks) help set the two mill rails level and straight and parallel.I put thick hardwood rounds under them to avoid sinkage over time. Concrete rounds would work well too, if you can afford them.

    The Swing Gearbox picture shows the 600mm blade in horizontal position under the sawing table.

    Setting Horizontal shows the 600mm blade at the horizontal stop. This set up only needs to be done when first setting up or if alignment has shifted.

    Setting Vertical shows the 600mm blade at the vertical stop. This set up only needs to be done when first setting up or if alignment has shifted. Note the extra 160mm of blade which protrudes ABOVE the saw bench for table ripping. An extension table top is inserted next to the blade and an adjustable fence allows boards of up to 150mm thick by 300mm wide to be exactly re-sized – perhaps after seasoning, or for making 150 x 19mm bevel boards out of 150 x 35mm. The rolling mill could conceivably be set up top cut bevel boards straight off the log, but I have never bothered to make that function.

    The 5000 x 900mm Bluegum Log was the biggest one I’ve used under this mill, although it could do a log of 1000mm diameter. Maximum rail length at present is 7.3 metres allowing a maximum log and cut boardlength of ~5.5 metres. This photo shows the trolley parked in its carport with the canvas sides thrown up on the roof.

    Log and Horizontal Close shows the blade at horizontal position and the table to its far right; the swing handle; the motor; the control panel.

    Log at Vertical Far shows the blade at vertical position to its far left.

    Gearbox Parts shows the simple and rugged construction with “off the shelf” components of the 1:1 gearbox. It runs at ~1300 rpm with gear oil from a triple belt drive reduction off the motor of 2.4:1.

    Log Cutting AVI video shows several cuts of the 100 x25mm boards. The trolley is best pushed from either end – (i) for safety, (ii) to avoid saw dust stream, (iii) it’s easier on your back to push than to pull when the work is hard. Yeah, the video looks a bit slow motion. Dunno why. It was certainly faster cutting than that!

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