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    Quote Originally Posted by apricotripper View Post
    What I'm trying to work out though, is where to install the holddowns plate on my bench. Have to try and forsee how I'm going to use them. Thinking of installing them so the heads clamp down within say 2" from the bench edge...not shore.
    Hi Jake,

    You did alright there What some people do is to put one or more collars in the leg of the bench furthest away from the vice. That way, when holding long boards they can grip one end in the vice and clamp the other end with the holdfast. However, with your "fish scaler" clamping device, you might not need to do that and you can put both collars in the top of the bench. It helps, of course, if you can get hold of more collars.

    Cheers

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    ta Paul. I didn't think of that.

    scalers leave little marks. so for clamping some things that sounds like the go. not shore. I don't know where'd I'd get more collars from.....maybe I don't need the collars ?....maybe they'll still clamp down in dog like holes ,,,without the collars?

    you've given me some ideas Paul. thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apricotripper View Post
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    you've given me some ideas Paul. thanks.
    I can see a new clamping device coming up!!!!

    What I can't see how you get it to cut a sliding dovetail - but I have faith in you Jake...
    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by apricotripper View Post
    I don't know where'd I'd get more collars from.....maybe I don't need the collars ?....maybe they'll still clamp down in dog like holes ,,,without the collars?
    Hi Jake,

    I've not tried mine without the collar but I think it would work OK. The old-fashioned holdfasts used plain holes and the one Veritas makes http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.a...838,43847&ap=1 fits into a plain hole like their dogs. I suppose it all depends what your bench is made from. If it is a fairly hard wood, then I dare say it would be OK but if it was a bit soft the pressure of the holdfast might cause the hole to become elongated. I suppose it might be possible to line the hole with some thin metal. But knowing you, Jake, you'll think of something

    Cheers

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    mm yes nice pick up appricotrper, ill agree most apprentices are just like you describe, i like to think im not, i sharpen all the blades in my work and never get a thanks, but i still do it, and if one of the qualified guys gives me advice on how to do something im all ears, ill take it in, im not an idiot , they have been doing it longer than me so they are going to know more than me. you're post was a good read, but it kind of sounds like you have a bit of a chip on shoulder

    cheers mate, bye
    its all greek to me

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    I don't think Jake has a chip on his shoulder. He just wants what every person deserves - common courtesy and respect!
    Have a nice day - Cheers

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    Nice score Jake, its good to just occasionally think you've got the better part of the deal.

    I use my hold down regularly, its one I made based on the Record version. No collar, just bearing against the cypress timber of the bench top. The way I see them is they do stuff away from the edge of the bench where you can't get a clamp to reach. I simply drill a hole where I want it, one advantage of not having an heirloom bench!!
    I have also used it in a hole drilled into the apron or leg, reaching up to hold long boards when working in the vice, but it requires the vice jaw and apron aligned reasonably well...and also becomes a painful trap to walk into!

    Sorry, had to smile at the apprentice and his verniers through the thicknesser. Sometimes I have trouble holding back the "I told you so..." But it is the voice of reason and experience you're expressing, which doesn't always go over well in those lacking!

    Cheers!
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    Thanks Andy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Mac View Post
    I use my hold down regularly, its one I made based on the Record version. No collar, just bearing against the cypress timber of the bench top. The way I see them is they do stuff away from the edge of the bench where you can't get a clamp to reach. I simply drill a hole where I want it, one advantage of not having an heirloom bench!!
    I have also used it in a hole drilled into the apron or leg, reaching up to hold long boards when working in the vice, but it requires the vice jaw and apron aligned reasonably well...and also becomes a painful trap to walk into!
    I'm with you. drill holes where its needed.

    Sorry, had to smile at the apprentice and his verniers through the thicknesser. Sometimes I have trouble holding back the "I told you so..." But it is the voice of reason and experience you're expressing, which doesn't always go over well in those lacking!
    yeh, know what you mean. spose with some things, people are more mature than others. I mean I can be quite immature when it comes to stirring people up...... I call that kid now .....' caliper boy '....to his face, which has him glaring at me.........and don't hold back saying........' oh shyt!...where's me calipers!, where's me calipers !!!!'. called trouble making eh.

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    my god! Hardenfast!! I've only just noticed your avatar.

    I'll bet you have a decent table saw. But you left to door open one night and your horse got in and was using it.

    WB
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    Jake -

    I just noticed that whopping great Stanley chisel in your hand, and then spotted this article in the Sydney Morning Herald:

    http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...462210909.html

    Could it be?

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    GW
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    cheeky bugger.

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