Thread: Here we go again

What you say Bob ?

Originally Posted by apricotripper

no. I don't want to be called a peanut. That upset me a lot. being called a peanut.

I was once called "Snoopy", I wonder why she did that .

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Considering the plane, why not to sell the thing just as it is? That one looks like it would be fun to check out it's trickery and feats, whatever there might be awaiting.

That "transitionalish" flavour it it's design, seemingly ok balance and ergonomics in tote and knob positioning and all the adjustability provided by bedrock frog... everything looks like they would actually work, perhaps even well.

sumu

Originally Posted by apricotripper

What you say Bob ?

I thought I was very polite and how come if it was made in 1952 the redgum looked like it had just come out of the thicknesser!

Can anyone confirm if the description has been changed?

Originally Posted by Groggy

I reckon he deserves a free-for-all from the forum. A barrage of questions from here, there and everywhere might bother him some.

unlikely
if the seller really believes what they have written, I have a rather large bridge they might like to buy.

I tried to report the item as a suspected fraud to ebay but found myself travelling in circles.

does anyone know when the three piece plane construction technique was first described ?



ian

Originally Posted by BobL

OK - I've sent my question. Is it my mind playing tricks on me or has the description been changed?

It has I'm sure, but I can't put my finger on it. Except that there are more spelling and grammatical errors than were previously.

Originally Posted by BobL

Can anyone confirm if the description has been changed?

I copied the description as it was at about 10PM last night
as far as I can tell the description is the same tonight

I think the seller's out is the disclaimer "sold as in found condition"

the item is how the seller found it
what I'd like to know is where the seller found it — was it on their door step wrapped in a blanket?

I'd also like to know how either of the previous planes perform
if well, then the maker would be worth tracking down

as far as I know, this sort of laminated plane was made popular by James Kernov. I'm not sure who developed the concept, but suspect that the construction is only viable if the glue is a cross linked polymer or epoxy.


ian

Wouldn't touch it with a 40' barge pole.

Hello,

Originally Posted by ian

as far as I know, this sort of laminated plane was made popular by James Kernov. I'm not sure who developed the concept, but suspect that the construction is only viable if the glue is a cross linked polymer or epoxy.

Oh, in that particular case, creep-resistant adhesive for sides may not be necessary. The blade-chipbreaker is attached directly to the frog, and the frog is attached to the heel piece directly. There is quite low stress level at side joints in this plane.

But in the case of conventional woodie where wedge or cap iron supports to cheeks via crosspin or abutments, there is serious need for creep-resistant adhesive, like epoxy (or urethane) you mentioned.


I still wonder why the seller does not try to sell it as it is.

Maybe it is that "Jyngvie Malmsteen". It sounds cool .

sumu

Originally Posted by ian

I copied the description as it was at about 10PM last night
as far as I can tell the description is the same tonight

I stand corrected.

I asked if I could buy the makers stamp....

unfortunately, he says that he doesn't have it.

I think this bloke is having even more fun over this than the forumites. He's deliberately baiting you. These are such obvious fakes it's like he wants to be tumbled. Wonder what his end-game is other than to wrest a few $$s from the gullible or curious??
Cheers,

His reply to me:

"yes it is original it is from a deceased estate we have had lots of planes and tools dating back to the early 1880s.i think the person made it in the 50s and his name was malmsteen it definatly was not made recently there was a large tool box on and that housed everything i have put on .i bought it of a man who was aged at around 65-70 who had no idea about woodwork but said his father and grandpa were true craftsman he had inherrited from his father and some were from his father.this plane looks like to me its been made by a craftsman using three or four differant planes record stanley eskituna .this plane is perfect in everyway.and unique.there are no makers stamps in the lot.this is a real plane and was not recently made.all the tools had been in the shed in that big black tool box for many years."

Hmm, Groggy - maybe this bloke is the gullible one. Or perhaps J Malmsteen showed Krenov how to make a plane????
Cheers,

Originally Posted by IanW

Hmm, Groggy - maybe this bloke is the gullible one. Or perhaps J Malmsteen showed Krenov how to make a plane????
Cheers,

AFAIK, Krenov didn't invent any planes, he only popularised a few designs. It is quite possible that someone made a hybrid along the lines of a transition plane and dropped it in his toolbox in 1952. What I don't understand is how the wood on the plane stayed immaculate for that period and did not sustain damage, darken or even pick up normal residue in the maker's marks. Whatever the finish is, I would be more interested in that than the actual plane!