Thread: Mystery Saw...Need Help With ID

Hi Toby,

If forced to guess, I'd be thinking Harvey W Peace, there were a number of makers that used side plate re-inforcing like that, but the handle shape is most like the Harvey Peace 110... Just a wild guess...



The handle shape is closer than any of the other candidates, but still not a positive match, it was normal practice to have more screws in the longer model saws, and yours looks to be in the upper end of the length range, so 4 screws isn't be a surprise..

Regards
Ray

Ray is most likely right - he usually is.
A couple of others that you might like to chase up are a Disston number 85 side plate saw, and possibly a Jesse Lane -.
One thing for sure, those domed nuts make it pretty old - maybe pre-1900.
Cheers
SG

Have a look at:

RARE VINTAGE HENRY C WEBER SAW WORKS, DETROIT MI, LONDON SPRING STEEL. | eBay

edit: same again: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Anti...#ht_500wt_1202

and less directly:

Beauty Saws - Back (Darlington) & Hand (Weber) (you have to click on the picture to see the 4 photos)

Antique hand saws.. H Disston & Sons.. Worth Restoring? - by Dan @ LumberJocks.com ~ woodworking community

Henry C Weber Hardware-Detroit

I was looking this stuff up on the weekend, and I feel like there is another link ... but I can't think of it so far

Cheers,
Paul McGee

Maybe this was it ... sorta similar ... but no help with info.

Rare Vintage Old Hand Saw | eBay

I don't know how the first guy decided that his saw was HC Weber.
I've stared at the very faint etch in those photos and I think there is a kinda horse/griffin looking figure in there ... which is nothing like the clear etch which is all words.

Sorry I can't help any more.

Paul.

OK ... I didn't know this one, but it's very good.

WoodNet Forums: handsaw handle with steel plate and domed nuts?


Doh ... didn't see Ray & SGs posts ...

Ray's definitely got it

Thanks that is all very interesting.

Paul.

Thanks Ray,
Actually, my saw is only 25.5" , must look long in the picture. There are enough differences in the Peace ( thumb notch on top of handle, shape of the fingers hole, blade placement in handle, nib) that I don't think it's a 110.

Thanks Scribbly,
I have looked at the Disston #85 Standard saw in the 1918 catalog, and I've seen two Jesse Lane saws. I have also seen sideplate saws from Atkins, McNiece ( two different styles of handles), and Cresson, as well as other "nameless" saws, but they are definitely not the same.

Thanks for your help, If you have any other thoughts on the saw please let me know.

Toby

Hi Paul,

The top of the handle on the one you linked to is markedly different to Toby's saw, this one of Marv's Identified as Jessie Lane,



It's similar to the Disston 85 in the 1918 catalog, but the Disston 85 is actually closer to the handle profile in Toby's saw. The Disston catalog list it under "Special Saws Etched to Order"

The other on Marv pictures (unidentified) looks like a Wheeler Madden and Clemson style handle with that pronounced thumb hook.



Just while we are passing by, I reckon Marv's unidentified saw is pretty close to this one..





Here's the Disston 85



And Here's the ebay Henry Weber, different handle shape on the top.


So, I'm thinking Disston 85 should go on the list of likely suspects, together with the Harvey Peace...

Regards
Ray

Originally Posted by TobyC

There are enough differences in the Peace ( thumb notch on top of handle, shape of the fingers hole, blade placement in handle, nib) that I don't think it's a 110.

Hi Toby,

Yes, I see what you mean, the thumb hook is almost vertical on yours, and the position of the saw plate in relation to the bottom of the handle is different... so I guess we are back to still looking...

Just a few possibles eliminated...

Regards
Ray

You're right Ray (... I can see myself saying that a lot ...)

I had been looking at the ebay one on the weekend, and looking for info on the Weber name and found those few links, so when Toby posted his my brain slipped a gear and ran the keyboard

It was only after posting a few times that I went back to the original picture and thought ... you idiot ... (familiar territory).

Some beautifully restored handle sets there! Masterfully done.
And thanks for the 085 picture - I hadn't been able to find what it was.

Personally I do think the 110 looks very close to Toby's. The main difference I am seeing now is that his handle is close up to the blade like a Disston D8, where the 110 is set out like (most of) the D7s I have seen.
Maybe it was a different number HP saw?

I have read that Harvey Peace (and others) were being pursued legally by Disston ... and I have seen online that some Atkins 5x's look like a D8 and some 6x's look like a #12 ... and I've seen the thumb-hole D8 look in Spear & Jackson, Atkins, Hordern (a re-brander?), and (I think) Simmonds.
So I am guessing that they must have had a 'D8 ripoff' at some stage?

Cheers,
Paul.

Wow! Thanks Ray, I've seen all of those, but seeing all of them together is very helpful. Marv Werner's saw, is of the Holden Patent style, but it may not be a W,M,& C.

Thanks Paul, I'll take all the help I can get! I appreciate the effort, and the research.

Can anyone come up with an image for any of these?....Spear & Jackson "Aetna" and Shurly & Dietrich no. 6 and no. 25?

I appreciate all the help guys.

Toby

Don't know if you've seen these or not, but here they are...


Picasa Web Albums - Marv's Pics & Albums - Disston-----J...

and Picasa Web Albums - Mike Stemple

and Picasa Web Albums - Mike Stemple - split nut saws

Toby

Originally Posted by TobyC

Don't know if you've seen these or not, but here they are...


Picasa Web Albums - Marv's Pics & Albums - Disston-----J...

and Picasa Web Albums - Mike Stemple

and Picasa Web Albums - Mike Stemple - split nut saws

Toby

I can only echo the great Austin Powers in saying ... "Oooohhhh YEAH baby!!!"

I just noticed something, the handle on the no. 85 Standard, is the same as a regular D-8 ( makes sense ).






Toby

Originally Posted by TobyC

I just noticed something, the handle on the no. 85 Standard, is the same as a regular D-8 ( makes sense ).






Toby

pretty similar eh, the D-8 has the blade let in and cover top though, maybe more like the No. 80, precursor to the D-8, which is the same basic shape as the D-8 too