Thread: Router plane use by Students Year 8 - 12 ,14-18year olds

I don't know if this suggestion is of any value but I remember seeing an illustration some years back of an 'old woman's tooth' utillising a chisel as the cutter. Making it would be an interesting project I would have thought and not too difficult.

Hi Mulquemi

I applaud your initiative I can't think of a better way of teaching WW than by hand and then you can move up to power tools and their uses { I still use non powered tools if I'm not in a hurry and want a A++ job

Glenn

Dear Unpowered hand tool enthusiasts,
As many forum members would be aware schools these days are run to very strict timetables so as to squeeze all the programmes , activities and subjects into a ever shortening Monday to Friday.
Teacher PD days as well as many student free days exacerbate the limitations of a “usual school week”(rare these days).
Four terms per year, when said quickly, does sound a lot of time for any additional programme/project a teacher might like to include in their class time.
Sadly the reality is about the only time available to conduct interest groups would be in the teachers’ own time and then that’s already taken up with meetings, meetings and more meetings.
When all the meetings are over then its time for preparation for subjects and then student correction, all of which is the teachers “own time and home time”.
Don’t misunderstand my “waffling” as teaching is also extremely rewarding as it is challenging, mind you salary could do with a little adjusting to encourage more professionals into education (that’s another store).
I do have a home life and it must also fit with my work life, because my family and I need to live and exist and some incoming $$$ helps with that.
The reason for my “rant” is that I would very much like to have the students fabricate their own hand tools but sadly the curriculum is set fast in conjunction with a unmodifiable timetable which leaves no opportunity to do what I want to do.
As sad as it sounds it’s more viable to simply just get the tools in, one way or another, then our making them.
That’s the reason for my initial thread, awkward as it makes me feel, and why I was seeking some support.
Regards
Mulquemi

Dear Woodwork enthusiasts,
No offers available so I pass on my thanks and appreciation for the helpful suggestions and we will cope one way or the other.
Kind regards
mulquemi

I'm a tradesman as well as a teacher, Mulquemi.

Try just drilling a suitably sized hole in a scrap of wood at the appropriate angle and drive a chisel through it, so that the edges of the chisel are trapped by the hole.

Or, make up a simple router plane that uses a chisel and a wedge to hold it in place.

Google on "old womans tooth" router planes to see how the bodies were made, and look at www.hntgordon.com.au to see how the wedge and pin trap the chisel against the bed.

Approximately 20 minutes work per plane once you're set up.

Cheers,

eddie

Dont take offence but I thought the learning outcomes were fairly well set by the education dept;

ie: student is to make a (insert project) using (insert tools) over (insert number of periods) or similar. Dont they supply the tools to achieve this

Dear Woodworkers,
Well the time passed quickly and I have four router planes that will be perfect for school students.
All but one are No71 stanley planes , one in particular is in a stunning state ,absolute pristine condition even to the cardboard (original) boxes and inner packing etc.
The students will now have a great opportunity to use some truly great hand tools as the designers had intended.
Thanks for the helpful suggestions and support.
mulquemi

Originally Posted by dazzler

Dont take offence but I thought the learning outcomes were fairly well set by the education dept;

ie: student is to make a (insert project) using (insert tools) over (insert number of periods) or similar. Dont they supply the tools to achieve this

yep...thats exactly right, except for the time frame. all of the junior year courses dont require a full year to teach so you can add stuff along the way

Originally Posted by mulquemi

Dear Woodworkers,
Well the time passed quickly and I have four router planes that will be perfect for school students.
All but one are No71 stanley planes , one in particular is in a stunning state ,absolute pristine condition even to the cardboard (original) boxes and inner packing etc.
The students will now have a great opportunity to use some truly great hand tools as the designers had intended.
Thanks for the helpful suggestions and support.
mulquemi

So you're the one bid all the prices up?

Empty boxes are no good to the school and the kids'll reck'em. Should give them away to us.

prozac

Dear prozac,
Yes It was I ,sadly at the risk of upsetting others with crazy prices ,how was I (we-the school) able to secure the planes that we needed?
Hopefully for your benefit the prices might return to normal soon.
Looking back at my original post I did offer to borrow planes and that didn't work so I had no choice but to bid and finally I have achieved what the school needed.
I might say there will be no profit in this venture for me other then the benefit for the students.
Kind Regards
mulquemi
PS you are welcome to any of the original boxes you may want
Just PM me and they are yours.

Mulquemi,

I went to school at Wangaratta High School from 1977-80 and they had enough of these for 1 for each student in the class (around 20-25).

Maybe you could organise an inter school loan if they still have them.

Can you mention what school it is?

Originally Posted by dazzler

Dont take offence but I thought the learning outcomes were fairly well set by the education dept;

ie: student is to make a (insert project) using (insert tools) over (insert number of periods) or similar. Dont they supply the tools to achieve this

Well, am I right or wrong

Geoff,
Thanks for the reply ,shell we say a non government school in Wodonga and therefore (sadly) may not qualify for loans for tools /equipment from the Government school sector.
Be assured that I have followed up all the possibilities locally albeit with little success.
Fortunately with four router planes in a class of 28(did he say 28!!!) we should cope fairly well.
mulquemi
PS give my regards to Adam.

Originally Posted by dazzler

Well, am I right or wrong

Wrong Dazzler.

We've got to meet outcomes. How we get there's up to the individual teacher.

They supply a budget. Spend it to meet your plan, so you can meet the outcomes. Don't overspend.

CHeers,

eddie

edit: NSW syllabii are here:

http://www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/syllabus_sc/

yr 7 & 8 = technology mandatory, yr 9&10 = Design and Technology; Industrial Technology.