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    Talking Slippery slope help needed.

    When I admitted to using hand scrapers rather than using my big powerful sanders you guys warned me that it was addictive. You warned me about sliding down a slippery slope. But if you lot had warned me that the end of the slippery slope was the dark side and that Derek really was Darth Vader I would have listened and resisted this slippery slide into hand tooldom.

    However, I now have to admit that I failed and that I cleaned and restored my hand plane and spokeshaves. Like my scraper I have also owned them for 40 years and have hardly used (or rather abused :eek: ) them very much. Yeah I know I am a slow learner. I used a large disk sander to grind the plane flat and then lapped it to a smooth surface and sharpened the blades. The whole job took about the equivalent of 2 full days. My thanks to Woodborer for adjusting them.

    I also sharpened my chisels so at least I won’t have to buy bigger hammers.

    You guys promised that you’re all here for me and that you would lend me all the support so what do I do now. Surely not extra planes for that would only make the slide faster. How do I get out of the dark side and back into the power tool light?


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    There is no help, no redemption, no antivenen, hahahahahahahaha....(sound of demented laughter trailing into the void) :eek:


    BTW guys paranoid am I?
    look who's revealed his true identity....leading W.A. Mental Health Professional my butt, more like leading the mental professionals into the abyss of hand tool use in WA.
    Although I'm still worried over who could be revealed as the prodigal son, maybe an ex power tool guy who made lotsa jigs :confused: ?
    Last edited by E. maculata; 21st September 2004 at 08:38 PM. Reason: made it sound nicer.
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    as long as you havnt painted your plane Orange

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    You idiot, you've done it now, not only will he spray it that familiar hue, but he will be making little cutesy wooden add ons to make even Rob Lee jealous, talk about the dark side, he'll be calling Derek "daddy" soon. :eek:
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    Thumbs up

    Peter

    Don't try to fight it, mate. It's too late - you're hooked. You might have broken free if you had stopped at merely cleaning and restoring your planes, scrapers and spokeshaves. However, you made a truly fatal error when you made contact with Woodborer and solicited his help. You can't break free now! You're hooked!

    So, now that you've given up struggling, this is what we want you to do next. Start to scour the local markets for working examples of the following: Disston saws (don't stop at backsaws, you're gonna need some panel saws too), a couple of hand braces (short and long throw), at least 2 Yankee screwdrivers and an egg-beater drill. You won't necessarily be satisfied with these so get on to the Lie-Nielsen and Lee Valley Veritas websites and have a good look at the modern versions. If that's not enough to keep you going, try this one

    http://www.antiquetools.com/

    They have plenty of new versions of old classics.

    Let us know if you run out of ideas, we'll keep you stocked up with more retro tool opportunities than you can poke a stick at!

    Good luck!

    Col

    PS: Don't forget that MFKL will put a wondrous lustre on anything in the toolbox!
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    i cant even begin to imagine what wonderfull jigs "The Jig Maker" will come up with now.

    G

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    Maybe he'll do the "handtool jig" an ancient rite of passage dance done by those select males who actually find the secret of a truly sharp cutting implement, AKA as a "happy dance".
    Personally my version is slightly less happy and more frentic.......result of said highly sharpened cutting implement unintentionally tested on nerve endings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Driver
    However, you made a truly fatal error when you made contact with Woodborer and solicited his help.
    Maybe so, but who else in Melbourne is as knowledgeable and helpful as him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Driver
    Start to scour the local markets for working examples of the following: Disston saws (don't stop at backsaws, you're gonna need some panel saws too), a couple of hand braces (short and long throw), at least 2 Yankee screwdrivers and an egg-beater drill.
    Not necessary as amongst my hand tool collection there are already 3 hand saws including a panel saw, a handbrace, a yankee screwdriver and 2 egg-beater drills. Part of my original purchase from Stanley 40 years ago. The era before power tools became available. :eek:

    I have resisted the urge to paint the Stanley no 4 a more appropriate colour. Why didn't Mr Stanley paint his planes orange instead of that drab black?

    Jim, I have been looking at these wooden handplanes and add-on jigs for hand planes. Not very difficult to build . Just a bit of wood and an old chisel is all that is needed. Might build a few if I find the time. Trouble is it is so dark here that I can't seem to find my Triton. Can someone please tell Derek to turn on the lights.

    Peter.

    BTW Col, still looking for a place that sells MFKL. Not at Bunnings or at the new Mitre10 super store.

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    Quote Originally Posted by E. maculata
    "happy dance".
    If that is the same as "hippy dance", did that kind of thing in my younger days, that flower power period of my life.

    Now I just get high on metho from french polishing all day today.

    Peter.

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    Congratulations Sturdee for demonstrating that woodworkers don't have to live in the power tool only camp or the hand tool only camp.

    There are many ways to flay a feline and all tools have their place and application. If there is a choice between a power tool and a hand tool and both will do the job in the same time to the same standard then it comes down to personal preference.

    Thanks for your kind words Sturdee, I think those words apply to yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sturdee
    I have resisted the urge to paint the Stanley no 4 a more appropriate colour. Why didn't Mr Stanley paint his planes orange instead of that drab black?

    .
    Peter

    Stanley planes are like T Model Fords, you can have any colour you like as long as it is BLACK.

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    Well funny enough my favorite tool is my small stanley block plane.

    id be lost without it. its blade is handy too for trimming back pvc & veneer edging.

    G

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sturdee
    I have resisted the urge to paint the Stanley no 4 a more appropriate colour. Why didn't Mr Stanley paint his planes orange instead of that drab black?



    Sturdee.. Mr Stanley did paint some of his planes orange for a while see this exerpt from Patrick's Blood and Gore



    During the late 1920's and very early 1930's, Stanley decided to paint some of the frogs (on their sides only) a bright, Cheeto's-colored orange - you almost go blind looking at it. This orange paint covers the normal japanning that was used on the frog and main casting. Why Stanley did this is anybody's guess. Perhaps they were trying to go one-up on the Millers Falls' line of bench planes, where that company painted their frogs a bright red. If this is the case, it's rather laughable as Millers Falls was never going to dethrone Stanley as the world's leader in metallic bench planes. However, Millers Falls did debut their bench plane line in 1929, which is the same time Stanley offered their orange frogs. This orange paint craze wasn't just limited to the Bailey line of planes. It can also be found on the Bed Rock series of bench planes, some of the block planes (the brass knob and adjuster are painted orange), and on the #78 rabbet (the embossed logo on the right side is highlighted in orange). There are probably other planes that got the treatment as well. The bench planes are the most commonly found orange decorated planes, with the others being somewhat scarce.
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    Ok, I'll bite. What is MFKL? :confused:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pat
    Ok, I'll bite. What is MFKL? :confused:
    See below and all will be revealed.
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